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David M. Payne · 08-23-2007, 05:05 PM

Well this was interesting, Mother Teresa had big doubts about God and Jesus in her life. Thoughts? The :devil1: made me do it.

David

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/2007082...8WvuPrnZSs0NUE

EternallyI · 08-23-2007, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by David M. Payne

Well this was interesting, Mother Teresa had big doubts about God and Jesus in her life. Thoughts? The :devil1: made me do it.

David

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/2007082...8WvuPrnZSs0NUE

I think this shows that true religious faith leads one to abandon oneself, yes... possibly even their intimate devotion to God, in order to carry out the work that He has for them to do. Faith is not a kind of escape from reality, but it's courage in the face of uncertainty.

Toto · 08-23-2007, 05:24 PM

That's old news by itself, but what a propitious time to have it come out in hardback.

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Both Kolodiejchuk and Martin assume that Teresa's inability to perceive Christ in her life did not mean he wasn't there. In fact, they see his absence as part of the divine gift that enabled her to do great work. But to the U.S.'s increasingly assertive cadre of atheists, that argument will seem absurd. They will see the book's Teresa more like the woman in the archetypal country-and-western song who holds a torch for her husband 30 years after he left to buy a pack of cigarettes and never returned. Says Christopher Hitchens, author of The Missionary Position, a scathing polemic on Teresa, and more recently of the atheist manifesto God Is Not Great: "She was no more exempt from the realization that religion is a human fabrication than any other person, and that her attempted cure was more and more professions of faith could only have deepened the pit that she had dug for herself."

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

EternallyI · 08-23-2007, 05:56 PM

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That's old news by itself, but what a propitious time to have it come out in hardback.

I liked this:

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Both Kolodiejchuk and Martin assume that Teresa's inability to perceive Christ in her life did not mean he wasn't there. In fact, they see his absence as part of the divine gift that enabled her to do great work. But to the U.S.'s increasingly assertive cadre of atheists, that argument will seem absurd. They will see the book's Teresa more like the woman in the archetypal country-and-western song who holds a torch for her husband 30 years after he left to buy a pack of cigarettes and never returned. Says Christopher Hitchens, author of The Missionary Position, a scathing polemic on Teresa, and more recently of the atheist manifesto God Is Not Great: "She was no more exempt from the realization that religion is a human fabrication than any other person, and that her attempted cure was more and more professions of faith could only have deepened the pit that she had dug for herself."

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

This is no new revelation either. The godless have been pointing this out forever. And how could they not? The godless must maintain this perspective; even to the point of mocking a person who spent their life doing good and helping the helpless.The godless continue on in their folly, saying: "Look at them. Poor bastards. They think that they are serving a god. More than that, they are actually willing to be torn between belief and non-belief the whole time if necessary!"

Yes, we are.

GenesisNemesis · 08-23-2007, 06:08 PM

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I think this shows that true religious faith leads one to abandon oneself, yes... possibly even their intimate devotion to God, in order to carry out the work that He has for them to do. Faith is not a kind of escape from reality, but it's courage in the face of uncertainty.

Who needs courage in the face of uncertainty? We're always uncertain about everything.

EternallyI · 08-23-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by EternallyI

I think this shows that true religious faith leads one to abandon oneself, yes... possibly even their intimate devotion to God, in order to carry out the work that He has for them to do. Faith is not a kind of escape from reality, but it's courage in the face of uncertainty.

Who needs courage in the face of uncertainty? We're always uncertain about everything.

Well...I think that is why you either believe or you don't.

xaxxat · 08-23-2007, 06:16 PM

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even to the point of mocking a person who spent their life doing good and helping the helpless.

She was freak who got off on watching the suffering and dying...

And where did those $ millions go that she was given to help the poor and suffering?

FatherMithras · 08-23-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

That's old news by itself, but what a propitious time to have it come out in hardback.

I liked this:

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

This is no new revelation either. The godless have been pointing this out forever. And how could they not? The godless must maintain this perspective; even to the point of mocking a person who spent their life doing good and helping the helpless.The godless continue on in their folly, saying: "Look at them. Poor bastards. They think that they are serving a god. More than that, they are actually willing to be torn between belief and non-belief the whole time if necessary!"

Yes, we are.

Mother T. didn't care about helping people. she only cared about obeying te commands in the bible. She wanted those people to suffer when they died, which is why she refused to give them pain relieving medication, and simply took the vast majority of her donations and dishonestly funneled them to the catholic church instead of to helping the people the donations were meant for.

The religious can and are bastards like anyone else.

We don't just go around mocking people for believing different things (Though some of us do). Many of us, myself included, pity those who are unable to grasp fundamental reality. It's a sad truth that some people are so morally bankrupt the only way they can do good is if they think that some big sky figure will punish them if they don't, or that it's good only because he says so. helping people is good because it helps people, not because it's commanded.

figuer · 08-23-2007, 06:22 PM

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I think this shows that true religious faith leads one to abandon oneself, yes... possibly even their intimate devotion to God, in order to carry out the work that He has for them to do.

So you are saying that true religious faith might lead to the abandonment of intimate devotion to God (=belief)? This would mean that intimate devotion to God involves atheism.* Nothing new here...I have long known that atheists are the truest believers in God.

*Therefore atheist in this board are more devoted to God than theists like yourself (which is certainly clear considering Calvinists).

EternallyI · 08-23-2007, 06:23 PM

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even to the point of mocking a person who spent their life doing good and helping the helpless.

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She was freak who got off on watching the suffering and dying...

Seeeeeeeee. Is that really what you think?

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And where did those $ millions go that she was given to help the poor and suffering?

Umm....probably toward helping the poor and suffering.:Cheeky:

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