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Old 04-13-2006, 08:01 PM   #1
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Default Let's laugh at Nazi racial theories

We all know that the Nazis had certain ideas about race, genetics, etc. And nearly all of us know that those theories turned out to be remarkably far from the truth. But some of us cling to them anyway. Why, I can't say. So let's take turns pointing out some of the more obvious ironies and silliness associated with these racial theories, historically and in the modern world.

I'll start with the German a-bomb project. By using only non-Jewish scientists, the Nazis insured they would never have the help of such subhumans incapable of any serious intellectual feats as:



I like to think that in this picture he's sticking his tongue out at Hitler.

Nowadays, racists are frequently willing to admit that non-white people can excel in athletics. But many of us remember that this was not always the case. For instance, when Max Schmeling fought the man below for the world heavy weight boxing championship, Germany expected him to win easily. In fact, he was knocked out in the first round. Hitler had the feed to Germany cut after the first time Schmeling was knocked down. How embarrassing. But how much more embarrassing for Hitler -- had he lived -- would have been the friendship which later grew up between the two men?



Then there was Hitler's plan to invade Russia. A very stupid idea, as anyone with an ounce of brains and a basic knowledge of European history can tell you. Hitler believed however that Eastern Europe was occupied by Slavic subhumans, suitable only to be hewers of wood and bearers of water. He believed they had neither the scientific ability nor the fighting spirit to stand up to him. Here, of course, is how it ended:

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fun post, but i dont see the point. its all common knowledge and common sense, so why bother?
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I think it's a dig at a certain other poster who's been busy lately.
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We all know that the Nazis had certain ideas about race, genetics, etc. And nearly all of us know that those theories turned out to be remarkably far from the truth. But some of us cling to them anyway. Why, I can't say. So let's take turns pointing out some of the more obvious ironies and silliness associated with these racial theories, historically and in the modern world.

I'll start with the German a-bomb project. By using only non-Jewish scientists, the Nazis insured they would never have the help of such subhumans incapable of any serious intellectual feats as:



I like to think that in this picture he's sticking his tongue out at Hitler.

Nowadays, racists are frequently willing to admit that non-white people can excel in athletics. But many of us remember that this was not always the case. For instance, when Max Schmeling fought the man below for the world heavy weight boxing championship, Germany expected him to win easily. In fact, he was knocked out in the first round. Hitler had the feed to Germany cut after the first time Schmeling was knocked down. How embarrassing. But how much more embarrassing for Hitler -- had he lived -- would have been the friendship which later grew up between the two men?



Then there was Hitler's plan to invade Russia. A very stupid idea, as anyone with an ounce of brains and a basic knowledge of European history can tell you. Hitler believed however that Eastern Europe was occupied by Slavic subhumans, suitable only to be hewers of wood and bearers of water. He believed they had neither the scientific ability nor the fighting spirit to stand up to him. Here, of course, is how it ended:

Hail the Red Army!:jump:
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Another thread with no real content.
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I have to agree. No content. Anyone who's not a racist bigoted idiot couldn't possibly think otherwise. I mean, there's no threads about the sky being blue or whether bricks are food.`
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We all know that the Nazis had certain ideas about race, genetics, etc. And nearly all of us know that those theories turned out to be remarkably far from the truth.
Or so say the victors, who as we know, never once in the history of humanity have had a hand in writing history or suppressing anything that the other side had to say about any particular issue.



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But some of us cling to them anyway. Why, I can't say.
Because being, like, so cool and so popular isn't important to objective, courageous people with backbones.

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So let's take turns pointing out some of the more obvious ironies and silliness associated with these racial theories, historically and in the modern world.
Be my guest, pick your fights foolishly.

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I'll start with the German a-bomb project. By using only non-Jewish scientists, the Nazis insured they would never have the help of such subhumans incapable of any serious intellectual feats as:
German nuclear research was proceeding at a nice clip, and was derailed by British commandos, who destroyed a heavy water research facility in northern Norway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegi...water_sabotage

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Nowadays, racists are frequently willing to admit that non-white people can excel in athletics. But many of us remember that this was not always the case. For instance, when Max Schmeling fought the man below for the world heavy weight boxing championship, Germany expected him to win easily. In fact, he was knocked out in the first round. Hitler had the feed to Germany cut after the first time Schmeling was knocked down. How embarrassing. But how much more embarrassing for Hitler -- had he lived -- would have been the friendship which later grew up between the two men?
Nice cherry picking, but you conveniently left out the fact that Schmeling won the first fight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Schmeling

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Schmeling was thought to be a "shot" fighter and in 1936, the situation in Germany had changed. Schmeling came over to New York once again to face the up-and-coming black American, Joe Louis, undefeated and considered unbeatable. The fight had received little attention in Germany, with Schmeling widely expected to lose by the Nazi authorities. He arrived in New York claiming to have found a flaw in Louis' style having studied movies of his opponent, observing the way in which he dropped his guard after throwing a punch. He surprised the boxing world by handing Louis his first defeat, dropping him in round four and knocking him out in the 12th. Schmeling returned to Germany via the Hindenburg to a hero's welcome.
Of course, to the Leftist's mind, Schmeling's victory against Louis does not count, but Louis' victory against Schmeling does count.



As if any of this matters in any case.

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Then there was Hitler's plan to invade Russia. A very stupid idea, as anyone with an ounce of brains and a basic knowledge of European history can tell you.
Not when they're planning on launching a massive invasion of your territory the very next year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa

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Counterarguments to this interpretation are available in the book Icebreaker, by former GRU defector Viktor Suvorov. This book argues that Soviet ground forces were extremely well organized, and were mobilizing en masse all along the German-Soviet border for a Soviet invasion of Europe slated for Sunday July 6, 1941. The German Barbarossa, he claims, actually was a pre-emptive strike that capitalized on the massive Soviet troop concentrations immediately on Germany's borders. Suvorov argues therefore that Soviet troop concentrations on Germany's borders were offensive in nature, not defensive as usually described. His interpretation has been thoroughly rejected by various respected historians, in particular David Glantz, and has not found serious support among Western academic historians. However, things look different in the Eastern Europe, including Russia, where the debate over the nature of the German-Soviet conflict goes on. A serious study by Russian military historian Mikhail Meltyukhov (“Stalin's Missed Chance”) supports the claim that Soviet forces were concentrated in order to attack Germany.
[Emphasis added by me]

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Hitler believed however that Eastern Europe was occupied by Slavic subhumans, suitable only to be hewers of wood and bearers of water. He believed they had neither the scientific ability nor the fighting spirit to stand up to him.
Hitler used that label to refer to racially mixed Slavic speaking peoples. Slavic-speaking people like the Cossacks actually served in the Waffen-SS: http://www.snyderstreasures.com/pages/ssfv.htm

In any case, eastern Europe did lag behind technologically and economically. It is clear that the Soviet Union won due not only to sheer size, but also because of Lend-Lease: http://www.feldgrau.com/econo.html

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The following table, not an inclusive one by any means, shows the extent of lend-lease aid the Western Allies provided to the Soviet Union from 01 October 1941 to 31 March 1946 (not a typo, aid went on well after WWII ended). CW - Commonwealth contribution; US - American contribution:

Aircraft - 7.411 (CW) + 14.795 (US) = 22.206
Automotive:
--- 1.5 ton trucks 151.053 (US)
--- 2.5 ton trucks 200.662 (US)
--- Willys Jeeps 77.972 (US)
Bren Gun Carriers - 2.560 (CW)
Boots - 15 million pairs (US)
Communications equipment:
--- Field phones - 380.135 (US)
--- Radios - 40.000 (US)
--- Telephone cable - 1.25 million miles (US)
Cotton cloth - 107 million square yards (US)
Foodstuffs - 4.5 million tons (US)
Leather - 49.000 tons (US)
Motorcycles - 35.170 (US)
Locomotives - 1.981 units (US)
Rolling stock - 11.155 units (US)
Tanks - 5.218 (CW) + 7.537 (US) = 12.755
Tractors - 8.701 (US)
Trucks - 4.020 (CW) + 357.883 (US) = 361.903
Since you seem to like pictures, I'll leave you with a few.



Gotha 229, invisible to radars of the period (Gee, that looks amazingly like...the American stealth bomber of decades later!)



V-2 rocket launch



The autobahn as seen in the 1930s (which the U.S. interstate system, built twenty years later, was a rip-off of)
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We all know that the Nazis had certain ideas about race, genetics, etc. And nearly all of us know that those theories turned out to be remarkably far from the truth. But some of us cling to them anyway. Why, I can't say. So let's take turns pointing out some of the more obvious ironies and silliness associated with these racial theories, historically and in the modern world.

I'll start with the German a-bomb project. By using only non-Jewish scientists, the Nazis insured they would never have the help of such subhumans incapable of any serious intellectual feats as:

I'm going to play the devil's advocate and say that some nazis/white supremacists say that "Jews" have a higher "IQ" than "whites".
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Anyone who's not a racist bigoted idiot couldn't possibly think otherwise.
Translation: Anyone who lacks either the courage, the motivation, or the intellectual capacity (or a combination thereof) to question what they were spoon fed by their tv sets, teachers, their churches (*cough*), and society in general, couldn't possibly think otherwise.

William Pierce, who had a doctorate in physics, was a "racist bigoted idiot" according to the sort of Newspeak drivel quoted above.

[sarcasm]Remember,

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength[/sarcasm]

Fuck Marxism, Racial Egalitarianism, and Political Correctness.
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I'm going to play the devil's advocate and say that some nazis/white supremacists say that "Jews" have a higher "IQ" than "whites".
Yes, Jews do have a high mean verbal intelligence.
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