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Old 03-13-2005, 08:26 AM   #1
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As far as I'm aware God put man on earth because Eve ate from the tree of knowledge. So does this mean earth was made especially for mankind, if so according to the Bible doesn't this mean man was on earth at the same time as the dinosaurs six thousand years ago?
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If so, yes. But that account isn't true, and man came much later than dinosaurs.
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As far as I'm aware God put man on earth because Eve ate from the tree of knowledge.
You are incorrect; man was placed on Earth before Eve ate from the Tree.

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So does this mean earth was made especially for mankind,
The Bible is not clear on this point. Although the creation of man is listed almost last of all things, nothing specifically states that it was made for man, only that he would have dominion over it. If the order of events is crucial in understanding this point, we could argue that the earth was made so God could 'rest' (probably just kick-back, slip on the slippers, and walk around with his pipe and paper in the cool of the evening).

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if so according to the Bible doesn't this mean man was on earth at the same time as the dinosaurs six thousand years ago?
The implication of paleontology and the Bible combined would lead one to that conclusion. But the Bible is... inaccurate on this point.
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As far as I'm aware...
This is an extremely unimpressive proviso.
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If you're looking for people here who believe in the literal truth of the Bible, you are looking in the wrong place. This board, in my brief experience of it, seems to have a vocal fundamentalist minority and an overwhelming skeptical majority.

But you don't seem confronational, just confused. So here are the FACTS, such as high school biology presents them.

Dinosaurs lived on this planet from approximately 210 million years ago to 65 million years ago, having evolved from from the same ancestral reptile as pterosaurs ("flying dinosaurs") and crocodilians. (This group as a whole is known as Archosauria). The creatures that you think of as dinosaurs were wiped out by a catastrophe 65 million years ago, which is believed to have been an asteroid strike. However, many biologists now classify birds as an offshoot of the dinosaurs. Birds survived the extinction event and are currently one of the most successful groups of vertebrates. Homo sapiens (man) has existed in its essentially modern form for not even a million years. So depending on how you look at it, the answer to your question is either no, humans and non-avian dinosaurs did not exist at the same time six thousand years ago, or yes, humans and birds have always coexisted and did so six thousand years ago.

Hope that helps!
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As far as I'm aware God put man on earth because Eve ate from the tree of knowledge. So does this mean earth was made especially for mankind, if so according to the Bible doesn't this mean man was on earth at the same time as the dinosaurs six thousand years ago?
I don't know if I understand you, but if so, that is an interesting idea.

Are you saying the Garden of Eden wasn't on Earth (per say)?

So, God creates the heaven and earth, yada yada... Creates Adam and puts him in the Garden (someplace, maybe an adjunct to heaven?), Adam piddles around a few millenia, gets bored, God makes Eve. A few more melinia of piddling around, and then the tree and snake buisness. Adam and Eve get outcast to the Earth. Interesting idea...

Even if Eden was on Earth, I guess the melinnia of piddling around (I like that word... piddling, piddling... piddling, anyway.) means that A and E could have been thrown out 6K years ago while the Earth is billions of years old.
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Still, no dinos 6,000 years ago, so his original question is answered. You're right, it's an interesting way to look at it...if you ignore hominid fossils.
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I don't know if I understand you, but if so, that is an interesting idea.

Are you saying the Garden of Eden wasn't on Earth (per say)?

So, God creates the heaven and earth, yada yada... Creates Adam and puts him in the Garden (someplace, maybe an adjunct to heaven?), Adam piddles around a few millenia, gets bored, God makes Eve. A few more melinia of piddling around, and then the tree and snake buisness. Adam and Eve get outcast to the Earth. Interesting idea...

Even if Eden was on Earth, I guess the melinnia of piddling around (I like that word... piddling, piddling... piddling, anyway.) means that A and E could have been thrown out 6K years ago while the Earth is billions of years old.
Basically this is what I'm asking. Was Adam and Eve put on this earth simultaneously with animals at its conception? Or did animals exist before Adam and Eve or only afterwards? Is earth made mainly created for man?
If earth is created mainly for man then why would animals exist well before man? Why would God created dinosaurs then just kill them off?
On another topic; why did God create a worldwide flood to kill peolpe off during the time of Noah? Wouldn't it of been far more efficient if God made the evil people drop dead from say a heart attack? After all everyone who lives or dies does so by Gods will.
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Was Adam and Eve put on this earth simultaneously with animals at its conception? Or did animals exist before Adam and Eve or only afterwards?
Depends on which Genesis passage you read.

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Is earth made mainly created for man?
Clearly not.

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If earth is created mainly for man then why would animals exist well before man?
Good question. Homo sapiens has existed for a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the history of life on earth. Only our spectacular egos convince some of us that the creator of the universe itself did all this so we'd have a sandbox to piss around in.

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Why would God created dinosaurs then just kill them off?
Why would God create ANYTHING and just kill them off?

I can't think of a reason.

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On another topic; why did God create a worldwide flood to kill peolpe off during the time of Noah? Wouldn't it of been far more efficient if God made the evil people drop dead from say a heart attack?
Only one of many reasons why the Noah account is false/greatly exaggerated.

A worldwide flood in the recent past is DEMONSTRABLY UNTRUE.

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After all everyone who lives or dies does so by Gods will.
I don't believe that. You may make any statement you like, but we may not all judge it true.
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Why would God create ANYTHING and just kill them off?

I can't think of a reason.


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Christians would argue humans are NOT killed off but will live in the next life. Humans throughout history humans have needed animals for food and clothing etc. But if dinosaurs existed before humans what is the point of their existance?
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