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There are two different authors but they appeal to the same audience--ALL NATIONS of the earth.

Matthew 28
Luke 24

DCHindley

What do you mean "post Tanakh"? You do realize that the LXX Greek form of Hebrew names varies considerably one source from another, where they overlap. For example, LXX 1 Esdras overlaps HB 2 Chronicles 37-38, Ezra and part of Neheniah & LXX Paralipomenon B 37-38; and LXX 2 Esdras overlaps HB Ezra and Nehemiah.

A table of the NT names in Jesus' supposed genealogy follows. I'd recommend searching for the Greek forms of the names in the LXX Greek translations of 1 Esdras, 2 Chronicles 37-38, Ezra and Nehemiah.

(RSV Mat 1:2-16)	(BGT Mat 1:2-16)	(RSV Luk 3:23-38)	(BGT Luk 3:23-38)
		38d God.	θεοῦ.
		38c Adam,	Ἀδὰμ
		38b Seth,	Σὴθ
		38a Enos,	38 Ἐνὼς
		37e Cainan,	Καϊνὰμ
		37d Mahalaleel,	Μαλελεὴλ
		37c Jared,	Ἰάρετ
		37b Enoch,	Ἑνὼχ
		37a Methuselah,	37 Μαθουσαλὰ
		36e Lamech,	Λάμεχ
		36d Noah,	Νῶε
		36c Shem,	Σὴμ
		36b Arphaxad,	Ἀρφαξὰδ
		36a Cainan,	36 Καϊνὰμ
		35e Shelah,	Σαλὰ
		35d Eber,	Ἔβερ
		35c Peleg,	Φάλεκ
		35b Reu,	Ῥαγαὺ
		35a Serug,	35 Σεροὺχ
		34e Nahor,	Ναχὼρ
		34d Terah,	Θάρα
2a Abraham was the father of Isaac,	2 Ἀβραὰμ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰσαάκ,	34c Abraham,	Ἀβραὰμ
2b and Isaac the father of Jacob,	Ἰσαὰκ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰακώβ,	34b Isaac,	Ἰσαὰκ
2c and Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,	Ἰακὼβ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰούδαν καὶ τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς αὐτοῦ,	34a Jacob,	34 Ἰακὼβ
3a and Judah the father of Perez and Zerah by Tamar,	3 Ἰούδας δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Φάρες καὶ τὸν Ζάρα ἐκ τῆς Θαμάρ,	33f Judah,	Ἰούδα
3b and Perez the father of Hezron,	Φάρες δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἑσρώμ,	33e Perez,	Φάρες
3c and Hezron the father of Ram,	Ἑσρὼμ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἀράμ,	33d Hezron,	Ἑσρὼμ
		33e Arni,	Ἀρνὶ
		33b Admin,	Ἀδμὶν
4a and Ram the father of Amminadab,	4 Ἀρὰμ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἀμιναδάβ,
4b and Amminadab the father of Nahshon,	Ἀμιναδὰβ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ναασσών,	33a Amminadab,	33 Ἀμιναδὰβ
4c and Nahshon the father of Salmon,	Ναασσὼν δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Σαλμών,	32e Nahshon,	Ναασσὼν
5a and Salmon the father of Boaz by Rahab,	5 Σαλμὼν δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Βόες ἐκ τῆς Ῥαχάβ,	32d Sala,	Σαλὰ
5b and Boaz the father of Obed by Ruth,	Βόες δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰωβὴδ ἐκ τῆς Ῥούθ,	32c Boaz,	Βόος
5c and Obed the father of Jesse,	Ἰωβὴδ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰεσσαί,	32b Obed,	Ἰωβὴδ
6a and Jesse the father of David the king.	6 Ἰεσσαὶ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Δαυὶδ τὸν βασιλέα.	32a Jesse,	32 Ἰεσσαὶ
6b And David was the father of Solomon by the wife of Uriah,	Δαυὶδ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Σολομῶνα ἐκ τῆς τοῦ Οὐρίου,	31e David,	Δαυὶδ
7a and Solomon the father of Rehoboam,	7 Σολομὼν δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ῥοβοάμ,
7b and Rehoboam the father of Abijah,	Ῥοβοὰμ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἀβιά,
7c and Abijah the father of Asa,	Ἀβιὰ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἀσάφ,
8a and Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,	8 Ἀσὰφ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰωσαφάτ,
8b and Jehoshaphat the father of Joram,	Ἰωσαφὰτ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰωράμ,
8c and Joram the father of Uzziah,	Ἰωρὰμ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ὀζίαν,
9a and Uzziah the father of Jotham,	9 Ὀζίας δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰωαθάμ,
9b and Jotham the father of Ahaz,	Ἰωαθὰμ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἀχάζ,
9c and Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,	Ἀχὰζ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἑζεκίαν,
10a and Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,	10 Ἑζεκίας δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Μανασσῆ,
10b and Manasseh the father of Amos,	Μανασσῆς δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἀμώς,
10c and Amos the father of Josiah,	Ἀμὼς δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰωσίαν,

11a and Josiah the father of Jechoniah and his brothers	11 Ἰωσίας δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰεχονίαν καὶ τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς αὐτοῦ
12a Jechoniah was the father of Shealtiel,	12 Ἰεχονίας ἐγέννησεν τὸν Σαλαθιήλ,
		31d Nathan,	Ναθὰμ
		31c Mattatha,	Ματταθὰ
		31b Menna,	Μεννὰ
		31a Melea,	31 Μελεὰ
		30e Eliakim,	Ἐλιακὶμ
		30d Jonam,	Ἰωνὰμ
		30c Joseph,	Ἰωσὴφ
		30b Judah,	Ἰούδα
		30a Simeon,	30 Συμεὼν
		29e Levi,	Λευὶ
		29d Matthat,	Μαθθὰτ
		29c Jorim,	Ἰωρὶμ
		29b Eliezer,	Ἐλιέζερ
		29a Joshua,	29 Ἰησοῦ
		28e Er,	Ἢρ
		28d Elmadam,	Ἐλμαδὰμ
		28c Cosam,	Κωσὰμ
		28b Addi,	Ἀδδὶ
		28a Melchi,	28 Μελχὶ
		27e Neri,	Νηρὶ
12b and Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,	Σαλαθιὴλ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ζοροβαβέλ,	27d Shealtiel,	Σαλαθιὴλ
13a and Zerubbabel the father of Abiud,	13 Ζοροβαβὲλ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἀβιούδ,	27c Zerubbabel,	Ζοροβαβὲλ
13b and Abiud the father of Eliakim,	Ἀβιοὺδ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἐλιακίμ,
13c and Eliakim the father of Azor,	Ἐλιακὶμ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἀζώρ,
14a and Azor the father of Zadok,	14 Ἀζὼρ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Σαδώκ,
14b and Zadok the father of Achim,	Σαδὼκ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἀχίμ,
14c and Achim the father of Eliud,	Ἀχὶμ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἐλιούδ,
15a and Eliud the father of Eleazar,	15 Ἐλιοὺδ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἐλεάζαρ,
15b and Eleazar the father of Matthan,	Ἐλεάζαρ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ματθάν,
		27b Rhesa,	Ῥησὰ
		27a Joanan,	27 Ἰωανὰν
		26 Joda,	Ἰωδὰ
		26 Josech,	Ἰωσὴχ
		26 Semein,	Σεμεῒν
		26 Mattathias,	Ματταθίου
		26a Maath,	26 Μάαθ
		25 Naggai,	Ναγγαὶ
		25 Esli,	Ἑσλὶ
		25 Nahum,	Ναοὺμ
		25 Amos,	Ἀμὼς
		25a Mattathias,	25 Ματταθίου
		24 Joseph,	Ἰωσὴφ
		24 Jannai,	Ἰανναὶ
		24 Melchi,	Μελχὶ
		24 Levi,	Λευὶ
15c and Matthan the father of Jacob,	Ματθὰν δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰακώβ,	24 Matthat,	24 Μαθθὰτ
16a and Jacob the father of Joseph	16 Ἰακὼβ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰωσὴφ	23c Heli,	Ἠλὶ
16b '[Joseph] the husband of Mary,	[Ἰωσὴφ] τὸν ἄνδρα Μαρίας,	23b Joseph,	Ἰωσὴφ

16c '[Mary] who was mother of Jesus	[Μαρίας,] ἐξ ἧς ἐγεννήθη Ἰησοῦς
16d 'Jesus, who is called Christ.	Ἰησοῦς ὁ λεγόμενος χριστός.	23a Jesus	Ἰησοῦς

DCH

Duvduv

By post Tanakh I was referring to the latter ancestors of Joseph which are names of people not appearing in the Tanakh but inventions of the gospel authors.

Huon

These different genealogies could have had some importance among a jewish environment, but they were (and they are) almost meaningless for the majority of christians, after, say, 150 CE. Much later, around 1650 CE, the french bishop Bossuet would say at a mass that "Jesus was the son of God, but also, Mary belonged to a very good (understand "noble") family." Louis XIV attended this mass...

Huon

We need a proof that "Luke" knew "Mary"...

Duvduv

I wonder why GLuke got some Hebrew names all wrong while others were produced in a normal pronunciation. I assume Josech is YEHOTSEDEK. Maybe HESLI is actually YEHEZKEL. Rhesa and Mahath? Search me......

Jaybees

After reading through this thread, I've become completely puzzled. How could Jesus' ancestry be traced through Joseph. Wasn't God Jesus' father? Shouldn't Jesus ancestry be traced through the real father rather than through Mary's husband?"

Puzzled!?

credoconsolans

This.

Mary was impregnated by the Holy Spirit/God.

There is no genealogy for the child that goes back to the House of David if he is the son of a god.

Only those trying desperately to make a link to make Jesus the Messiah of the Hebrew Bible try to, ignoring the fact that any link they make then discredits the idea that Jesus was the son of a god.

My fundamentalist friends get around this little discrepancy by claiming Joseph adopted Jesus and by that act, Jesus can be part of Joseph's lineage.

Wonky, I know, but then most of the story is.

Toto

Chili split

Toto

The names would come from the Septuagint, and would reflect a Koine Greek approximation.