Darth Dane

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Originally posted by Darth Dane
The guy murdering, has freewill. Jesus would not take that away.
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Because he is cold-hearted? If not, why? What harm would come to jesus if he gave the man a heart attack the instant before he pulls the trigger. He should be able to do that.

Then Jesus would kill him, Jesus being the good example can't really do that, now can he?

I love my child more than my own life. It is exactly because of that reason that I limit his free will.

Which is why most humans don't know how to heal and walk on water and so on, because they are children, because God loves us so. Imagine people with freewill, killing people with the power of their mind.

Love is not "Love" if there is a constraint, then it is conditional Love.The constraint of jesus' love is that if we don't recognize him as the son of god, we burn in hell. If we're gunned down because of jesus' lack of concern, we may lose the ability to kiss his butt on our way to heaven.

This is the bible's versions of Jesus. It is not mine. The Love I see from Jesus is not conditional. You do not have to k iss butt.

So when the dead go to "heaven" Jesus comforts them and say, "You have nothing to worry about, God is alwasy with you, even that guy who "killed" you.Speculation. How do you know jesus will say this. How do you know jesus will not say, "Yes, you did works in my name and glorified me, but alas, it was not enough...off to the gnashing of teeth with you."

If Jesus forgives everyone, "forgive them father...." "Forgive them 7 times 7", then I find it fair to assume that we are forgiven

He will be sorry he did that when he comes here. And I will forgive him" Only if the gunmen repents and is 'saved' before he dies. Even then, forgiveness does not equal heaven.

Only? Again this sounds like the bible's version.


Rather than parrot "free will, free will" again and again why don't you look in the bible? God didn't give man free will (it was Snake). God doesn't want us to have free will. God works against our free will. Nowhere in the whole bible does god show respect for man's free will.

You really do adhere to the bible's version don't you? Note this is pre-Jesus as well.








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premjan

no more a christian than a muslim than a hindu than a buddhist is the philosopher's worldview, call it God == Logos. It is perfectly coherent.

Darth Dane

no more a christian than a muslim than a hindu than a buddhist is the philosopher's worldview, call it God == Logos. It is perfectly coherent.



There is a definition of this, or is it yours?








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premjan

The ancient Greek view of God as an impersonal abstract entity LOGOS is consistent with the view that all religious faiths are equally true, or alternately, equally untrue, since there is no God.

The mediaeval Hindu view, established under monist philosopher Shankara is quite similar (it is known as Advaita Vedanta). If you google and read these, you will be able to see how to construct a consistent philosophy such that it maintains the equal truth of all the faiths and resolves ties and contradictions.

I subscribe to such a monist view, growing out of the Indian view first put forward coherently by Shankara. Moreover I hold that God is experiential, and some people prefer to believe in God and some people prefer to believe in no-God.

Basically, God is an entity all people are capable of experiencing so it is not surprising that such a philosophical worldview can be constructed. Back in 8th century India, there were several competing religious schools: Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, Shakti and so on. Shankara resolved the apparent contradictions between them and established parity of faith between all of them through philosophical explanations. You have to accept that subjective experience stands on the same grounds of validity as objective experience.

Darth Dane

If you google and read these, you will be able to see how to construct a consistent philosophy such that it maintains the equal truth of all the faiths and resolves ties and contradictions.

I spent 10 months in india studying Tantra(and basicly all major religions, tied in).

I just wasn't aware, that it was termed "the philosopher's worldview"

I subscribe to such a monist view, growing out of the Indian view first put forward coherently by Shankara. Moreover I hold that God is experiential, and some people prefer to believe in God and some people prefer to believe in no-God.

Coherently, to you nes pas?

You have to accept that subjective experience stands on the same grounds of validity as objective experience.

Indeed






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jfryejr

So instead, he sets a better example by letting people die?

Imagine people with freewill killing people with guns...Oh wait, no need to imagine...

Then your version is imaginary

That is when they ask for it. Dead people don't ask questions.

It's the only version there is. Everything else is made up.

Darth Dane

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Then Jesus would kill him, Jesus being the good example can't really do that, now can he?
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So instead, he sets a better example by letting people die?

How do you propose to give freewill yet you interfere with them in a way that is counterproductive to your message "Love thy neighbor"?


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Which is why most humans don't know how to heal and walk on water and so on, because they are children, because God loves us so. Imagine people with freewill, killing people with the power of their mind.
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Imagine people with freewill killing people with guns...Oh wait, no need to imagine...

Yes, it is easy to deal death out, it can take a second with a gun. It is far harder to give life, usually it takes 9 months before birth, then 18 years of growing up, yet in one second it can be ended.
Jesus said that if we have faith as a mustard seed we can move mountains(raise people from death and so on) but we have a hard time with that.



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This is the bible's versions of Jesus. It is not mine. The Love I see from Jesus is not conditional. You do not have to k iss butt.
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Then your version is imaginary

Have you heard about Gospel of Thomas? Or the Gospel of the Holy Twelve?

Does Jesus say you have to kiss butt?
Provide quote please

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If Jesus forgives everyone, "forgive them father...." "Forgive them 7 times 7", then I find it fair to assume that we are forgiven
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That is when they ask for it. Dead people don't ask questions.

Forgive them father for they know not what they do. Obviously those who doesn't ask, or can't ask, are forgiven, because how could they know to ask?


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Only? Again this sounds like the bible's version.
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It's the only version there is. Everything else is made up.

Look above. Is there a difference between the KJV and the catholic?





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