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ravenscape · 02-08-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JustMe23

Can I please ask anyone who is so inclined to say a prayer, or think good thoughts, for my husband. He's stuck somewhere between work and home in this snowstorm we've been having. I don't usually get worried, but this afternoon I am. Thanks.

You got em.

Glass*Soul · 02-08-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sparklecat

That just means that the uniformity is something philosophical; I wouldn't characterize it as being influenced by something greater than ourselves so much as having an area of commonality to agree upon.

Ummm. Not exactly. I was speaking to unity that takes place amongst people who are not experiencing uniformity. An area of commonality may allow us to interact with one another despite our differences. I'm thinking of the sorts of things that get under the skin of even the areas in which we lack uniformity. Those Ich bin ein Berliner moments when the very differences themselves dissolve. If I drove past my old church to find demonstrators trying to prevent the members from going inside I would, I think, feel something akin to that.

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Even then, it's the lack of uniformity with those other people which seems to be more important than unity in general.

Not always. A thing of great beauty might do it. A work of art. A crisis.

Lynn of the Prairie · 02-08-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Liz

...Dawkins doesn't convince me to be an atheist, but he did help persuade me to stop trying to fly under the radar in a fundy church.

i'M CURIOUS ABOUT THIS. Is this what you were doing years ago on FL when you told me to not mention in arguing with fundamentalists that I do not take the Bible literally in places and you yourself appeared to be disguising the fact you didn't either? At that time I was somewhat disgusted with you for that. I know you have evolved in that area. If not, say what; but if so, what are you doing instead?

Lynn of the Prairie · 02-08-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by seebs

It's not a flame to call a post bullshit. It might be a flame to call a poster a bullshitter.

See, this is the thing. You get used to CF, where the staff will punish anyone who disagrees with you, then you come to a forum without that rule, and you think you're being flamed, but you're really not. You're just being disagreed with.

I agree; it's the old rule of "there's a difference between a red spool of thread and a spool of red thread".

To his credit a fellow with whom I have had much trouble, Scott/Administrator/IATL at IATL has parsed and deconstructed this dynamic excessively and found conservatives/fundamentalists appear to have difficulty with disagreement when they come from a hermetically sealed ideological environment, just as politically correct far lefties do, but there are more of the latter. Conservative churches where dissent is not tolerated, homeschooling, censorship all appear to facilitate the lack of acceptance of the existence of opposing views. Certainly liberals can at times be just as bad.

Cthulhu · 02-08-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brietta

Actually warm baked brie with a splash of warmed brandy over the top is quite tasty on crackers.

Try this.

Bake the Brie 'till it's nice and runny and top with Pesto. Spead it on little french baguette toasts and top with bruschetta.

Little bites of heaven.

BigToe · 02-08-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Brietta

Ahh Miss Toe, there you are *snuggle back*, hmm yes, yes I do like cheese, what a coinkydink

Actually warm baked brie with a splash of warmed brandy over the top is quite tasty on crackers.
I see a very busy night ahead. But am happy to have finally posted here. Still waiting on my email though.

I like to wrap brie in crossaint dough and bake it that way. Yum yum.

Libby only checks her email for the purple place once every day or two. So you'll get authenticated, it just takes a bit.

Glass*Soul · 02-08-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BigToe

I like to wrap brie in crossaint dough and bake it that way. Yum yum.

OMG. Have mercy!

Stumpjumper · 02-08-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Liz

That was my impression, too. Interestingly, he has one or two nice things to say about Bonhoeffer. Anyway, my son's reading it because he's at the point where he doesn't believe in God anymore. I told him when he was home for lunch that Dawkins doesn't convince me to be an atheist, but he did help persuade me to stop trying to fly under the radar in a fundy church.

My biggest critique is that when he talks about things I've actually studied, he gets some of the details wrong every time. So it doesn't give me a lot of confidence in the facts he claims elsewhere.

My impression too.

In short, he's sloppy. There are some humorous parts though but a lot of his assertions are wholly unsupported. I really wish he would have supported in more detail his main argument about God being overly complex as to be impossible.

Like most of his other arguments, it has remained a brain fart

02-08-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by seebs

I didn't claim he was lying. I claimed that his statements were false and contrary to evidence available to him. I currently think it most reasonable to assume that the posts in question were good-faith accounts, but that ksen didn't really connect some of the events in question the way other people did.

So, while it's true that, very very early in the staff marriage discussion, he made a post clearly identifying me as a person whose spouse had gone in for sex change surgery, and shortly thereafter claimed that, if I couldn't state "unequivocally" that my spouse is female, I couldn't have rings, it's possible that, later, having seen that interpretation challenged, he:
1. Didn't think it would be an issue in light of the rules.
2. Didn't realize that he had been the one to bring that example up.

It's not unheard of for people to not remember things they wrote a day earlier, especially things written early in the morning.

My apologies for inaccuracy

praying · 02-08-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lynn of the Prairie

You decide...

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Words fail me. OMG

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