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ten to the eleventh · 10-04-2004, 06:25 PM

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can I join in some, maybe? :jump:

There's nothing stopping you. I might even respond.

jdlongmire · 10-04-2004, 06:25 PM

how about skepticism?

ten to the eleventh · 10-04-2004, 06:27 PM

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how about skepticism?

Oh, I'm a big fan of skepticism. I put it right up there with "wonder."

jdlongmire · 10-04-2004, 06:27 PM

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I don't see why not.

You can't do any worse than me. :angel:

Peace be with you!

Sandy

I can only hope to do as well!

...and unto you!

JD

jdlongmire · 10-04-2004, 06:28 PM

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Oh, I'm a big fan of skepticism. I put it right up there with "wonder."

ok, so we got skepticism, wonder and confidence...I can dig that!

ten to the eleventh · 10-04-2004, 06:28 PM

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I can only hope to do as well!

...and unto you!

JD

Aren't you supposed to be shaking hands when you say that?

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jdlongmire · 10-04-2004, 06:33 PM

nah, just "promenade left"

jdlongmire · 10-04-2004, 06:40 PM

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JDlongmire seems to think well of your posts, and he has hundreds of posts here. And look at his posts in this thread; they have mostly been one-liners. And not particularly witty one-liners, at that.

Hey!!!

:thumbs:

ZooMom · 10-04-2004, 06:45 PM

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Yeah, there's some theological weirdness in there somewhere. If you say that God is good, the noun, as the perfect "form" of goodness, or somesuch, then no bad, I suppose, could come of God, or Good. Now the word sounds weird. Anyway, we run into all kinds of definition problems with this. If I say that something is good, am I saying that it is God? Or am I suggesting that it approximates God, or somehow is a piece of God? If God is purely good, and He was ALL that was before creation, and everything that is came from God, then we must say that bad can come from God. To claim that it came about indirectly, through man, does not challenge the fact that it came from God, because man created God with the capacity to do evil. Unless we can take a few parts "good," and combine them in such a way that "bad" results, but that kind of destroys the notion that bad cannot come from good, doesn't it?

Did you mean 'because God created MAN with the capacity to do evil'? That is what the Free Will debate is all about, my friend.

And 'evil' as a concept was present before Man's fall. Lucifer and the bad angels, and all that. I believe in free will. So I have no problem saying that God, in His creations, allowed for the possibility of evil, which is disobedience to God's Will. Obedience = good, disobedience = bad. Can God be in opposition to His own Will?

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All this, again, is Platonic thought, wherein "good" is reified, treated as a real object, as opposed to being a matter of judgement, a perceived quality. We wouldn't say that "beautiful" exists, although there may be very beautiful things. You wouldn't say that there is a source of "beauty," from which only beautiful things come, would you? Plato would.

Well, now, I would say that everything in Creation has the capacity to be beautiful. But purely physical beauty? No. Physical beauty is relative.

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Of your example, I could easily say that blue is part of the spectrum of visible (to us) light, and that light some light sources produce the entire spectrum of visible light, red included (pink would be a combination). As God has produced the entire spectrum of existence that we perceive, then he has produced objects of every perceived quality.

Right, but while blue can be varied shades of blue, and pink can be viewed as separate from blue, blue can't BE pink and still be blue. I think.

Peace be with you!

Sandy

ZooMom · 10-04-2004, 06:49 PM

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Aren't you supposed to be shaking hands when you say that?

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Aha! Been to Mass, have you?

:Cheeky:

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