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Old 12-09-2006, 02:42 PM   #31
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Um, the mythical Jesus?
Um, explain? How does one cover Jesus?

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Old 12-09-2006, 03:47 PM   #32
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Hmmm...that would be beautiful for the "Historical Jesus" page, but what about the page on Jesus itself?

Remember, the "historical Jesus" did not exist until the 18th century at the earliest...that means we have 17 centuries of just Jesus to represent on the Jesus page...

Or, are you saying that the Jesus page should be primarily coloured by the researches of HJ scholars?

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Yes, I am saying the latter. If we did any other historical topic from the dark past, such as the Roman emperor Augustus, we'd probably have a section on how we know about his life and another on scholarly views, and/or the article would be peppered with such remarks "...Augustus presence on the frontier that summer is attested by an inscription left outside what is now modern day Marseille..." or "...Marxist historians of Augustus' reign point to the increasingly ossified class system of late Republican society that...."

So I think those are valid approaches to Jesus too. otherwise you'll get an enormous article, "Jesus (in life and art) with all the gajillion Jesus-s referenced over the centuries. I think you have to treat him like a historical character, as any other historical character. After all, Augustus was the center of a cult too, but how much time is spent in the histories on depictions of Augustus as a cult figure? Compared to other aspects....

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How does one cover Jesus?
You might want to start with the current scholarly consensus:
No one in mainstream New Testament scholarship denies that Jesus was a Jew. -The Symbolic Jesus: Historical Scholarship, Judaism, and the Construction of Contemporary Identity / William Arnal. (p. 5)
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Yes, No Robots, that sounds fair.

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