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Toto · 06-20-2009, 10:25 AM

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Brigham Young University professor Donald W. Parry of Hebrew Bible Studies in the College of Humanities, has been named as an editor for a new edition of Biblia Hebraica Quinta, the fifth edition of the Hebrew Old Testament.

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In January 1994, he was invited to serve as a member of the International Team of Translators of the Dead Sea Scrolls. As a member he has worked in an official capacity on Isaiah plus other sacred writings.

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Parry added “Of course, I see the Lord’s hand at work in all of these movements that pertain to me and my occupational status.”

Parry explained why Isaiah’s writings are so important, “Isaiah’s writings and prophecies are Jesus Christ centered and deal with his first coming in mortality, his teachings and miracles, his atoning sacrifice, his trials and tribulations, Gethsemane, the cross and much more. Isaiah also prophesied of the signs of the times, Jesus’ Second Coming and his Millennial reign.”

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aa5874 · 06-20-2009, 11:26 AM

But the book of Isaiah has nothing to do with Jesus.

Parry appears to provide false and mis-leading information about the book of Isaiah.

This is Trypho the Jew, making references to the book of Isaiah in "Dialogue with Trypho" LXVII

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And Trypho answered, "The Scripture has not, 'Behold, the virgin shall conceive, and bear a son,' but, 'Behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son,' and so on, as you quoted. But the whole prophecy refers to Hezekiah, and it is proved that it was fulfilled in him, according to the terms of this prophecy.

Moreover, in the fables of those who are called Greeks, it is written that Perseus was begotten of Danae, who was a virgin; he who was called among them Zeus having descended on her in the form of a golden shower.

And you ought to feel ashamed when you make assertions similar to theirs, and rather[should] say that this Jesus was born man of men. And if you prove from the Scriptures that He is the Christ, and that on account of having led a life conformed to the law, and perfect, He deserved the honour of being elected to be Christ,[it is well]; but do not venture to tell monstrous phenomena, lest you be convicted of talking foolishly like the Greeks."

storytime · 06-20-2009, 01:54 PM

None of the OT validates the NT. But that will not stop Christians imposing themselves into the story and claiming that they are "a people" of that Hebrew god.

rfmwinnie · 06-20-2009, 02:18 PM

Isaiah is quoted at length in the Book of Mormon. It holds a special place in the hearts of LDS members. It doesn't surprise me that he would say this - no amount of evidence you can supply would cause them to give up Isaiah because they only believe the Bible "so far as it is translated correctly." That gives them a pass to ignore all the tings that don't fit!

Joan of Bark · 06-20-2009, 07:05 PM

Yeah, why would Isaiah bother prophesyzing about a person who was centuries away from being born? The response from his listeners would have been: who cares, we'll be dead by then.

Roger Pearse · 06-23-2009, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Joan of Bark

Yeah, why would Isaiah bother prophesyzing about a person who was centuries away from being born? The response from his listeners would have been: who cares, we'll be dead by then.

Um. Is that the response that the climate change agitators get? (probably they *should*, but do they?)

Prophecies of better times can be a comfort in hard times.

Joan of Bark · 06-23-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Roger Pearse

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Originally Posted by Joan of Bark

Yeah, why would Isaiah bother prophesyzing about a person who was centuries away from being born? The response from his listeners would have been: who cares, we'll be dead by then.

Um. Is that the response that the climate change agitators get? (probably they *should*, but do they?)

Prophecies of better times can be a comfort in hard times.

How much comfort would such prophesies provide when only their great-great-great etc. grandchildren would benefit?

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06-20-2009, 01:54 PM	#3
storytime Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Posts: 2,608	None of the OT validates the NT. But that will not stop Christians imposing themselves into the story and claiming that they are "a people" of that Hebrew god.

06-20-2009, 02:18 PM	#4
rfmwinnie Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,494	Isaiah is quoted at length in the Book of Mormon. It holds a special place in the hearts of LDS members. It doesn't surprise me that he would say this - no amount of evidence you can supply would cause them to give up Isaiah because they only believe the Bible "so far as it is translated correctly." That gives them a pass to ignore all the tings that don't fit!

06-20-2009, 07:05 PM	#5
Joan of Bark Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pua, in northern Thailand Posts: 2,823	Yeah, why would Isaiah bother prophesyzing about a person who was centuries away from being born? The response from his listeners would have been: who cares, we'll be dead by then.

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