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Johnny Skeptic · 12-02-2005, 09:23 AM

Message to Bible John: Why did you become a Christian?

Bogie · 12-02-2005, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintCog

Are we playing the "copy and paste random Bible verses" game. cool!

"These men are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only nine o'clock in the morning" (Acts 2.15).

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the worst argument ever devised.

I want to play!

"As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!" (Galatians 5:12)

Ah, Christian love :wide:

Bible John · 12-02-2005, 10:26 AM

You do not understand the difference between a self righetous judgement and a biblical juddgement. Scripture is very clear about judging the messages of those who claim to be christian.

john

Romans 2:1 "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?"

Bogie · 12-02-2005, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bible John

You do not understand the difference between a self righetous judgement and a biblical juddgement.

Apparently, you don't understand the difference between a formal debate and a sermon. :down:

Bogie

Bible John · 12-02-2005, 10:37 AM

In the fundamentalist church we are more concerned with meeting the spiritual needs rather than puttting bandaids on all our people, by meeting the carnal needs of everyone. The bible is very clear that things will go from bad to worse. The problems I am having know might double in a few years. Like I seem to have more enemies know than I did 5 years ago. I seem to be more bold in my stance for the truth, and my stance against false doctrine, deceivers and such.

Yes 5 years ago I did work in a Liberal Church. I am not saying that everyone there was not saved, but the church (part of the Evangelical Covenant domination) has a number of issues. They like to water down their messages and cater to the world rather than to God. For them the church is all about attracting and gaining converts, instead of for christians. The bible is very clear that its the Holy Spirit that convicts people of their sin and ads to their number (acts 2:42ff). No amount of human wisdom, charm, charisma or pragmatism can replace this simple fact.

Say would you ever ask someone in your church why satan has filled their heart like Peter asked? No you probably would lose your job.

John

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Originally Posted by Nice Squirrel

Excuse moi? How many "Liberal" Chucrches have you been to? Do you even know a thing about them or are you just blowing smoke out you ass? Have you ever worked in a Liberal church? Have you broke bread with them?

(Spoken as if the Last Supper was a street dance) How much money does you church give to the poor? Does your minister(s) drive a luxury car? How many houses have they built for homeless families with their own hands? How many meals do they personally serve to the smelly, disease ridden and (often) drunk underprivalidged members of the community? How much does your church give out to people who just come and ask for money, little or no questions asked? Please, you are welcome to come in and reinforce our opinion of conservative Christians as fools and simpletons scared of dying (no afterlife) or going to hell for lusting after the counter girl at Arbys. :banghead: You simply don't seem to get Christianity. Please come in and criticize our ways. You can look at the stained glass window with Jimmy Carter, John Paul II, and the Dali Lama in it. Although, I would doubt you would get it.

So God is not love, but a tempermantal baby? I don't get it. Isn't that to be left to God, and not to you. Why must you judge our ways and call them wrong? Sounds like you are not contemplating the glory of existence. And I suppose you think it means caring enough yo beat up a man and rob him blind for his own good so he can learn a lesson and be put in his place?

Are these teachers leading YOUR church?

Bible John · 12-02-2005, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogie

Apparently, you don't understand the difference between a formal debate and a sermon. :down:

Bogie

Maybe. I am learning.

Bible John · 12-02-2005, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Skeptic

Message to Bible John: Why did you become a Christian?

The Lord called me to salvation years ago. He called me and I repented from my sin and turned to the truth.

Eph. 1:4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love
Eph. 1:5 he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will —

I believe that salvation is not a one time prayer but a process. There is a special theological word that is on the tip of my tongue that would explain things a little better. It is not works that saved me, but by grace.

I know this goes entirely against my Free/Will Predestination paper I have on my website. But as I learn so my view changes.

John

Nice Squirrel · 12-02-2005, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bible John

In the fundamentalist church we are more concerned with meeting the spiritual needs rather than puttting bandaids on all our people, by meeting the carnal needs of everyone.

Funny how liberal churches do both, but fundamentalist churches appear to do neither.

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The bible is very clear that things will go from bad to worse.

Really? And how does this sentence relate to anything I have stated above? Are you schizophrenic? Because this is a clear cognative disconnect.

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The problems I am having know might double in a few years. Like I seem to have more enemies know than I did 5 years ago.

Funny, I have no enemies, but this isn't about you.

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I seem to be more bold in my stance for the truth, and my stance against false doctrine, deceivers and such.

Or you could just be an old-fashioned blockheaded jerk, and I don't mean that as an insult. For example I could stand on the street corner and preach about the Mean Squirrel. I could tell people that they are giving into the his false promises of Skwerlhuggery and will be damned. I could tell my friends until one by one they abandon me or outright reject me and I am left in my small circle of believers. (This is what happens in cults) Don't get me wrong, I know that they just don't understand and are doomed to the Pit of Rotten Acorns for believing in false doctrine, deceivers and such. But in the end, I miss out on the whole promise of the Nice Squirrel's promise to set everything right.

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Yes 5 years ago I did work in a Liberal Church. I am not saying that everyone there was not saved, but the church (part of the Evangelical Covenant domination) has a number of issues.

Work in? You were not a member?

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They like to water down their messages and cater to the world rather than to God.

They weren't "Mel Gibson" Catholics who only address God in Latin?

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For them the church is all about attracting and gaining converts, instead of for christians

Hence the term "Evangelical", duh. What do you mean instead of for Christians? Are we not to spead the good news?

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The bible is very clear that its the Holy Spirit that convicts people of their sin and ads to their number (acts 2:42ff). No amount of human wisdom, charm, charisma or pragmatism can replace this simple fact.

Once again I son't see how this fits in.

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Say would you ever ask someone in your church why satan has filled their heart like Peter asked? No you probably would lose your job.

Philos Epikoureios · 12-02-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bible John

Yes I am here to preach the good news.

Mark 16:15 ¶ He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.
Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Patchy do you know who you are? Patchy did you know that after your death you will either go to heaven or to hell? Do you want the eternal peace and security promised in Jesus?

John

Well, you believe that just because you read it. Please don't read Harry Potter books... I don't think it'll be nice to see you jumping around with a twig in your hand, swishing it and mumbling pig Latin.

Nice Squirrel · 12-02-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Philos Epikoureios

Well, you believe that just because you read it. Please don't read Harry Potter books... I don't think it'll be nice to see you jumping around with a twig in your hand, swishing it and mumbling pig Latin.

That's why I won't read them...

12-02-2005, 09:23 AM	#21
Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Bible John witnesses to the infidels and threatens liberal Christians Message to Bible John: Why did you become a Christian?

12-02-2005, 10:26 AM	#23
Bible John Banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SF Bay Area California Posts: 834	Re You do not understand the difference between a self righetous judgement and a biblical juddgement. Scripture is very clear about judging the messages of those who claim to be christian. john Romans 2:1 "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?"

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