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Old 02-07-2008, 10:55 AM   #21
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You mean like the Grand Canyon?
why would a global flood produce a single, thin, highly sinuous channel in an expanse of totally unaffected desert? surely a vast shallow braided channel would make more sense?

that claim defies logic.
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Old 02-07-2008, 12:36 PM   #22
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Do you believe that God caused a global flood to occur? If so, in your opinion?
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Even though such a flood would have left very predictable and verifiable and easily found evidence, none of which has been found?
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This is what happens when your primary education comes from Sunday School.
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Would you like to debate inerrancy?
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Maybe after you accept ~M~'s invitation to debate.
First of all, ~M~ does not have anything to do with you. Second of all, I told ~M~ that I am not willing to have a formal debate with him, but that I would be happy to discuss anything that he wants to discuss with me in whatever thread he wants to have discussions in. The only reason that I do not want to have any more formal debates is because I have already had two formal debates, and they ended up with no agreed upon results, and the debates continued in the Peanut Galleries. Third of all, I am currently having discussions with ~M~ in a new thread that he recently started at the GRD Forum.

Obviously, what you said does not make any sense, nor your claim that a global flood occurred. Even some evangelical Christian geologists have said that a global flood did not occur, and have said that Christians who claim that a global flood occurred immediately chase off skeptics who know a lot about geology.

If God caused a global flood to occur, you need to explain why he made certain that fossil and sediments were sorted in ways that are convenient to skeptics, and confusing to some Christians.

Do you believe that the earth is young?

The claim that God inspired and preserved the originals is utterly absurd. Unless you can adequately defend inerrancy, you do not have a valid basis for quoting the Bible.
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Maybe after you accept ~M~'s invitation to debate.
First of all, ~M~ does not have anything to do with you. Second of all, I told ~M~ that I am not willing to have a formal debate with him, but that I would be happy to discuss anything that he wants to discuss with me in whatever thread he wants to have discussions in. The only reason that I do not want to have any more formal debates is because I have already had two formal debates, and they ended up with no agreed upon results, and the debates continued in the Peanut Galleries. Third of all, I am currently having discussions with ~M~ in a new thread that he recently started at the GRD Forum.

Obviously, what you said does not make any sense, nor your claim that a global flood occurred. Even some evangelical Christian geologists have said that a global flood did not occur, and have said that Christians who claim that a global flood occurred immediately chase off skeptics who know a lot about geology.

If God caused a global flood to occur, you need to explain why he made certain that fossil and sediments were sorted in ways that are convenient to skeptics, and confusing to some Christians.

Do you believe that the earth is young?

The claim that God inspired and preserved the originals is utterly absurd. Unless you can adequately defend inerrancy, you do not have a valid basis for quoting the Bible.
Sorry Johnny, I'm not following you down this rabbit trail. You asked a specific question about if belief in a global flood was required by God.

I said no, pretty simple really.

Now you want to turn my response into a general discussion about the Flood.

Any discussion about whether or not a flood actually did occur should happen in the E&C forum.
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You mean like the Grand Canyon?
why would a global flood produce a single, thin, highly sinuous channel in an expanse of totally unaffected desert? surely a vast shallow braided channel would make more sense?

that claim defies logic.
I don't know. Maybe you should talk to a Flood geologist about it. :huh:
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I don't know. Maybe you should talk to a Flood geologist about it. :huh:
funny that. because they don't seem to know either. whereas actual geologists see it for what it is, a dowucutting meandering river valley in an arid environment. i'd be very greatful if some flood geologists could come round to our department and explain to us why literally everything we have ever done is wrong (since that is what it would entail).

chucking a bucket of water in a sand pit does not make little isolated meandering channels.
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