aa5874

Perhaps you mistake confidence for arrogance.

I am confident that I have AMASSED enough information from sources of antiquity to obliterate the HJ.

So, why are you leaning towards what you cannot confirm to be true? You are in effect admitting you are a loser. You support your imagination.

Again, how would I know that Jesus was claimed to be the offspring of the Ghost of God if it was not written in the NT.

You appear to argue from what you imagine is true.

I am not here to make arguments from my imagination.

All my arguments are SOLIDLY supported by sources of antiquity. I am not here to guess history and invent characters, like the HJ, that cannot be found in any extant sources of antiquity.

If you think that I have mischaracterized what Christians believe then I can show you "On the Flesh of Christ" and make the writer under the name of Tertullian answer you.

This is a writer called Tertullian in "On the Flesh of Christ" 18
The HJ is a most SENSELESS proposition since the Church writers considered that he was truly God and there are no other extant sources of antiquity that can show Jesus was ever considered only man by the Church.

I do not argue from imagination.

Kapyong

Gday,

Because you've had just ONE thing to say, and have been repeating it here - over and over, on and on, ad nauseum - for years. We're sick of it.


K.

aa5874

What is your motivation for such an outburst?

But, you have revealed that it is likely that you only read the the first line of my post and do not even bother to read the rest.

What you claim is blatantly false. You are imagining things.

I will give you a sample of one of my post to show that you don't know what you are saying at all.

I will go through the NT, book by book, if necessary to show that the HJ is completely irrational.

This is post #359

Toto

It's like this, aa5874 - this is a discussion board. When a thread gets too long it tends to stop newcomers from joining in. New people are rarely going to take the time to go through all of the previous posts.

At 463 posts in this thread, if there is anything more to say you should be writing a book. But there isn't - you have now started quoting your old posts. It's like watching someone in public shouting into a cell phone. Maybe there's someone on the other end, but who knows?

Of course, it might help if you didn't start every post with "The HJ is a most SENSELESS proposition." It tends to put off discussion.

I invite you to organize your posts and turn them into an essay, and submit it to the secularweb or some other site.

mountainman

Hey Kapyong I wish you would not attempt to speak on behalf of everyone here in regard to aa5874 engagements in discussions related to evidential material admitted to the field of ancient history. You appear to be on the same backfoot that most apologists revert to when exiting these discussions. There is a famous expression in Australia (used by politicians and ranch hands) that is quite relevant here. It goes like this:

"You better wake up digger! The dogs are pissing on your swag"

That is the opposite of what the evidential stats on this thread suggest.

Larkin31

I mistake nothing in this case. It was this arrogant remark: Are you calling me "a loser"?? That's choice.

I am not leaning this way. I am defending Christians from your mischaracterizations and pointing out your errors of logic. Your bombastic and belligerent posts are too much for me to resist. :huh:

DancesWithCoffeeCups

Lay off the personal remarks. It's the fastest way to get this thread closed.

DWCC

aa5874

Why are you doing this? Why are trying to close my thread?

My only aim is to establish that the HJ is a most SENSELESS proposition.

Let me continue!

The NT and Church writings are about the offspring of the Holy Ghost of God as shown in the Jesus story but some have proposed that Jesus was only a man or based on a man.

I find such a proposal outrageous.

The Jesus story appear to have been based on Hebrew Scripture, the Septuagint, the writings of Josephus and 1st century traditional supernatural beliefs in Gods.


If we examine the teachings of Jesus it is soon realized that his teachings were not likely to have him deified in Jerusalem where no known Jew from kings to madmen have ever been deified for the whole history of the Jews as given by Flavius Josephus in all his writings up to the end of the 1st century.

If we examine all the writings of Philo, a Jew from Alexandria, again, the deification of a Jew seems virtually improbable, not even the Roman Emperor was deified by Jews and according to Gauis the Jewish people were the only nation on the face of the earth not to deify the Emperor.

It must never be forgotten that Jesus, the Ghost of God, was placed in Judea, as a Jew circumcised on the 8th day, born in Bethlehem, grew up in Nazareth, and was in Galilee supposedly preaching and performing miracles.

But, look at look at Mt 10:5 - Now, this passage helps to augment the claim that the HJ is a most SENSELESS proposition.

It is clear that the inventor of Jesus probably did not read all of Josephus or had forgotten what Josephus wrote about Galilee. The Jesus of gMatthew does not know that Galilee was encompassed with a multitude of foreigners.

Wars of the Jews 3.3.2 It would appear that the sending of the twelve to preach only to Jews was non-historical since it would be virtually impossible for the disciples of Jesus to be able to preach only to Jews in a such a large area like Upper and Lower Galilee with so much foreigners.

Jesus himself according to gMatthew had already preached to large multitudes where as much as 5000 men were assembled, it is just not realistic that not one single foreigner or Gentile heard Jesus if he ever did live and preach in Galilee.

This is the very gMatthew on Jesus before he sent out the twelve.

Matthew 9:35-38 - Jesus it is claimed went to ALL the cities and villages but yet asked the twelve NOT to preach or perform any miracles with Gentiles.

But, Josephus will tell us how many cities and villages there were in Galilee.

This Josephus in "The Life of Flavius Josephus" ......."

And Josephus would tell about how many persons were in a small village in Galilee.

Wars of the Jews 3.3.2 See http://wesley.nnu.edu

So, the population of Galilee was in the millions or at least over a million.

15, 000 X 240= 3.6 million. There may have been 300,000 foreigners in Galilee, just using a ten percent estimate.

If Jesus had already preached to millions of people in GALILEE how can he reasonably expect that no Gentile or no Samaritan had already heard Jesus himself preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of heaven?

It is clear to me that the Jesus story was invented and that there is no actual history to Jesus or that there was no specific individual behind the Jesus story.

The Jesus story appears to be an invention about a God who became man and used by an apocalyptic writer for theological purposes and to warn people of a supposed impending conflagration.

The HJ is a most SENSELESS proposition since not even Jesus in his own story realised there were millions of Jews with foreigners in Galilee.

Loomis

I think this is a great thread. I think it should be made Sticky. I’ve been poking my head in here almost every day ever since it started two months ago - just to see what new information aa5874 would bring to the table.

His post today (above this one??) concerning “ALL the cities and villages” is excellent.

Christian missionaries should be forced to participate in this tread before they are allowed to participate in other threads that assume a non-historical Jesus as axiomatic. It will keep the riffraff out of the other threads and keep the quality of the posts up.

Thanks aa5874. No kidding. :wave:

Loomis

I can’t see where you’ve ever done that.

Could you give us a quick synopsis?