Originally Posted by Orthodox_Freethinker

Again, that is only the unsubstantiated assumption of the philosophical naturalist. This line of argument is truly pathetic. What we have in the Gospels is Jesus Christ prophecizing that the temple would fall within his generation. Of course, this is impossible if you hold to the philosophical predisposition that Jesus was not a divine prophet. For those who are concerned with historical fact, however, it's not at all surprising that he could make such an accurate prediction. What you've provided is shameless circular reasoning.

Peace.

Originally Posted by breathilizer

it is far more likely that they were written after the fall and only then did they say "Jesus totally saw that coming."

Originally Posted by Orthodox_Freethinker

Again, that is only the unsubstantiated assumption of the philosophical naturalist. This line of argument is truly pathetic. What we have in the Gospels is Jesus Christ prophecizing that the temple would fall within his generation. Of course, this is impossible if you hold to the philosophical predisposition that Jesus was not a divine prophet. For those who are concerned with historical fact, however, it's not at all surprising that he could make such an accurate prediction. What you've provided is shameless circular reasoning.
Given that John and Thomas were written after the fall of Jerusalem, there was no need to mention it given that the prophecy had already been fulfilled.

Peace.

Originally Posted by Orthodox_Freethinker

Again, your philosophical predisposition requires you to make this unbustantiated assumption. If Jesus Christ made such an accurate prophecy, it opens the door to his divinity. You cannot tolerate that possibility and therefore must assign a later, unsupported date. The Gospel of John is the latest Gospel and makes no mention of Jesus' prophecy given that it had already come to pass. In the Gospel of Mark, however, Jesus makes a prophecy of surprising accuracy. It's rather telling that only the lunatic fringe of New Testament scholarship agrees with you.

Peace.

Originally Posted by breathilizer

MOST scholars place the dates as after 80 A.D., not the "lunatic fringe."

Originally Posted by Columbus

This is exactly the kind of unsupported assertion that makes your world-vew look dishonest. You say " Jesus Christ prophesizing" when we both know that what you mean is "When followers of followers of Jesus claim He prophesised" and you don't admit to the important distinction. These followers had good reason to embellish what Jesus said. The same reasons that Fred Phelps and the Pope have for embellishing. Looking wise while spouting self serving crap is a very powerful motivator.

Tom