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Toto · 04-09-2005, 01:14 PM

Peter Kirby wrote a guide for converting ascii to Greek here: Ancient languages. This was required for a previous version of vBB which (I think?) did not always support unicode.

Use of the SYMBOL font is not recommended - it is a Microsoft proprietary product and will not work with all browsers.

Our current version of vBB allows you to copy and paste unicode characters, but still requires a FONT. What Peter recommended was

[ SIZE=3 ][ FONT=Arial Unicode MS,Palatino Linotype,Code2000,TITUS Cyberbit Basic,Athena ] insert unicode here [ /FONT ][ /SIZE ]

(I have inserted spaces to allow you to see it.)

Stephen Carlson has been using Tahoma. When he does this, I can't see the Greek characters with accents, even if he lists other fonts.

So I thought I would do a survey. Which of these can you read?

Feel free to try other combinations

FONT=Arial Unicode MS,Palatino Linotype,Code2000,TITUS Cyberbit Basic,Athena

Σόλων �?μίσει τοὺς οἷος οὗτος ἀνθ�?ώπους Solon detested men like this man here.

FONT=Tahoma,Arial Unicode MS,Palatino Linotype,Code2000,TITUS Cyberbit Basic,Athena

Σόλων �?μίσει τοὺς οἷος οὗτος ἀνθ�?ώπους Solon detested men like this man here.

FONT=Palatino Linotype only

Σόλων �?μίσει τοὺς οἷος οὗτος ἀνθ�?ώπους

FONT=Arial Unicode MS only

Σόλων �?μίσει τοὺς οἷος οὗτος ἀνθ�?ώπους

FONT=TITUS Cyberbit Basic only

Σόλων �?μίσει τοὺς οἷος οὗτος ἀνθ�?ώπους

FONT=Code2000 only

Σόλων �?μίσει τοὺς οἷος οὗτος ἀνθ�?ώπους

Font= Athena

Σόλων �?μίσει τοὺς οἷος οὗτος ἀνθ�?ώπους

Amaleq13 · 04-09-2005, 02:44 PM

I can read them all using Safari (1.2) but I get question marks replacing several characters in all the phrases when using IE (5.2 for Mac).

andrewcriddle · 04-09-2005, 03:04 PM

Using IE I have problems with the last three ie

TITUS Cyberbit Basic only
Code2000 only
Athena

The first four were fine

Andrew Criddle

S.C.Carlson · 04-09-2005, 05:06 PM

I can read all of them just fine. Arial Unicode MS looks the best, but doesn't the "MS" stand for "Microsoft," making me hestitant to fully recommend a proprietary font? The last three, however, are the ugliest of the lot (TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Code2000, and Athena).

My favorite Unicode Greek font is Gentium or GentiumAlt (e.g. Σόλων �?μίσει τοὺς οἷος οὗτος ἀνθ�?ώπους). It is a serif font, though. For sans serif, I'm happy with the look of Arial Unicode MS, modulo my proprietary concerns.

Stephen

S.C.Carlson · 04-09-2005, 05:10 PM

Another point: If I don't specify a font, my browser (Firefox) is pretty good about finding a Greek font to display it. In fact, I tend to get the most problems when people specify a font for the Greek.

Isn't just possible to configure one's browser to do the right thing for Unicode Greek without having to asking everyone inputting Greek to come up with a long list of supported fonts?

Stephen

spin · 04-09-2005, 06:35 PM

It still looks all Geek to me.

Peter Kirby · 04-09-2005, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S.C.Carlson

I can read all of them just fine. Arial Unicode MS looks the best, but doesn't the "MS" stand for "Microsoft," making me hestitant to fully recommend a proprietary font?

The proprietary thing about the font is merely that Microsoft made the font and licenses it. It can be used on any computer platform. It is a Truetype font and is a Unicode font. Microsoft also licenses Palatino Linotype (not sure if they made it).

best,
Peter Kirby

S.C.Carlson · 04-09-2005, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Kirby

The proprietary thing about the font is merely that Microsoft made the font and licenses it. It can be used on any computer platform. It is a Truetype font and is a Unicode font. Microsoft also licenses Palatino Linotype (not sure if they made it).

Is it available on the Mac, for example?

Peter Kirby · 04-09-2005, 10:02 PM

Yes, it is available for the Mac or for Linux. Just download and install on any computer (that can use Truetype fonts).

best,
Peter Kirby

Julian · 04-11-2005, 10:57 AM

These two do not show the accented characters using IE:

FONT=Tahoma,Arial Unicode MS,Palatino Linotype,Code2000,TITUS Cyberbit Basic,Athena

Font= Athena

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I need to do?

Julian

04-09-2005, 01:14 PM	#1
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Typing Greek Fonts Peter Kirby wrote a guide for converting ascii to Greek here: Ancient languages. This was required for a previous version of vBB which (I think?) did not always support unicode. Use of the SYMBOL font is not recommended - it is a Microsoft proprietary product and will not work with all browsers. Our current version of vBB allows you to copy and paste unicode characters, but still requires a FONT. What Peter recommended was [ SIZE=3 ][ FONT=Arial Unicode MS,Palatino Linotype,Code2000,TITUS Cyberbit Basic,Athena ] insert unicode here [ /FONT ][ /SIZE ] (I have inserted spaces to allow you to see it.) Stephen Carlson has been using Tahoma. When he does this, I can't see the Greek characters with accents, even if he lists other fonts. So I thought I would do a survey. Which of these can you read? Feel free to try other combinations FONT=Arial Unicode MS,Palatino Linotype,Code2000,TITUS Cyberbit Basic,Athena Σόλων �?μίσει τοὺς οἷος οὗτος ἀνθ�?ώπους Solon detested men like this man here. FONT=Tahoma,Arial Unicode MS,Palatino Linotype,Code2000,TITUS Cyberbit Basic,Athena Σόλων �?μίσει τοὺς οἷος οὗτος ἀνθ�?ώπους Solon detested men like this man here. FONT=Palatino Linotype only Σόλων �?μίσει τοὺς οἷος οὗτος ἀνθ�?ώπους FONT=Arial Unicode MS only Σόλων �?μίσει τοὺς οἷος οὗτος ἀνθ�?ώπους FONT=TITUS Cyberbit Basic only Σόλων �?μίσει τοὺς οἷος οὗτος ἀνθ�?ώπους FONT=Code2000 only Σόλων �?μίσει τοὺς οἷος οὗτος ἀνθ�?ώπους Font= Athena Σόλων �?μίσει τοὺς οἷος οὗτος ἀνθ�?ώπους

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04-09-2005, 02:44 PM	#2
Amaleq13 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Eagle River, Alaska Posts: 7,816	I can read them all using Safari (1.2) but I get question marks replacing several characters in all the phrases when using IE (5.2 for Mac).

04-09-2005, 03:04 PM	#3
andrewcriddle Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Birmingham UK Posts: 4,876	Using IE I have problems with the last three ie TITUS Cyberbit Basic only Code2000 only Athena The first four were fine Andrew Criddle

04-09-2005, 05:06 PM	#4
S.C.Carlson Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,307	I can read all of them just fine. Arial Unicode MS looks the best, but doesn't the "MS" stand for "Microsoft," making me hestitant to fully recommend a proprietary font? The last three, however, are the ugliest of the lot (TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Code2000, and Athena). My favorite Unicode Greek font is Gentium or GentiumAlt (e.g. Σόλων �?μίσει τοὺς οἷος οὗτος ἀνθ�?ώπους). It is a serif font, though. For sans serif, I'm happy with the look of Arial Unicode MS, modulo my proprietary concerns. Stephen

04-09-2005, 05:10 PM	#5
S.C.Carlson Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,307	Another point: If I don't specify a font, my browser (Firefox) is pretty good about finding a Greek font to display it. In fact, I tend to get the most problems when people specify a font for the Greek. Isn't just possible to configure one's browser to do the right thing for Unicode Greek without having to asking everyone inputting Greek to come up with a long list of supported fonts? Stephen

04-09-2005, 06:35 PM	#6
spin Contributor Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: nowhere Posts: 15,747	It still looks all Geek to me.

04-09-2005, 10:02 PM	#9
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	Yes, it is available for the Mac or for Linux. Just download and install on any computer (that can use Truetype fonts). best, Peter Kirby

04-11-2005, 10:57 AM	#10
Julian Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Washington, DC (formerly Denmark) Posts: 3,789	These two do not show the accented characters using IE: FONT=Tahoma,Arial Unicode MS,Palatino Linotype,Code2000,TITUS Cyberbit Basic,Athena Font= Athena Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I need to do? Julian

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