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outhouse · 12-12-2012, 11:46 AM

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Again, only an opinion, I suspect that in the future we will learn much more about ancient civilizations, and their accomplishments, pushing the age of homo sapiens further back.

Please do, keep a a open mind.

I would have to state your correct, the difference is some of us here are not guessing about future data. We are running with what we have at today's date.

Others are making assumptions based on imagination to fit their personal theology.

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There is a bias, on this forum, in my opinion, to thinking that history, human civilization, begins (and for some folks, ends) with judaism.

You would need sources for this because I have not seen it at all.

Dave31 · 03-07-2013, 06:43 AM

2,750-year-old solar-aligned temple discovered in Israel

Read this book:

Yahweh and the Sun: Biblical and Archaeological Evidence for Sun Worship in Ancient Israel (or via: amazon.co.uk) by well-known Bible scholar Rev. Dr. J. Glen Taylor:

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"This book is a slightly revised version of my doctoral dissertation entitled “Solar Worship in the Biblical World” which was submitted to the Graduate School of Yale University in the Spring of 1989. As may be judged from the title of that work, I had at one time planned to cover more territory than sun worship in ancient Israel, but found the material pertaining to ancient Israel so vast that I never got beyond it."

- Rev. Dr. J. Glen Taylor

tanya · 03-07-2013, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave31

2,750-year-old solar-aligned temple discovered in Israel

Thanks for that link, Dave.

Chili · 03-07-2013, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave31

2,750-year-old solar-aligned temple discovered in Israel

Read this book:

Yahweh and the Sun: Biblical and Archaeological Evidence for Sun Worship in Ancient Israel (or via: amazon.co.uk) by well-known Bible scholar Rev. Dr. J. Glen Taylor:

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"This book is a slightly revised version of my doctoral dissertation entitled “Solar Worship in the Biblical World” which was submitted to the Graduate School of Yale University in the Spring of 1989. As may be judged from the title of that work, I had at one time planned to cover more territory than sun worship in ancient Israel, but found the material pertaining to ancient Israel so vast that I never got beyond it."

- Rev. Dr. J. Glen Taylor

Pardon me, but if the light of common day is an illusion, is your Most Rev. Dr. J. Glen Taylor, not exposing idol worshipers?

Toto · 03-07-2013, 12:34 PM

There is a preview of Taylor's book on google books.

Also a review by Steve Wiggins here, which questions whether YHWH was actually regarded as the sun, or whether metaphorical language was used to compare him to the sun.

outhouse · 03-07-2013, 01:18 PM

Having a East facing entrance at Tel Motza is typical of many temples.

In no way can this site be tied to Yahweh and sun worship.

These people at this site were a polytheistic cult of unknown origin. There not even sure if they were proto Israelites

Chili · 03-07-2013, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by outhouse

Having a East facing entrance at Tel Motza is typical of many temples.

In no way can this site be tied to Yahweh and sun worship.

These people at this site were a polytheistic cult of unknown origin. There not even sure if they were proto Israelites

Correct. In [Traditional] Catholicism the entrance faces West and the Tabernacle East to show that they are sinners facing East only during the sacrifice of Mass, and then they are send West again to sin some more, as would follow, I suppose.

Dave31 · 03-07-2013, 01:37 PM

Rev. Dr. J. Glen Taylor's response to Wiggins:

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A Response To Steve a. Wiggins, 'Yahweh: the God of Sun?'

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"This article is a response to Steve Wiggins's article which seeks to challenge the notion of solar Yahwism. Some of his cautions are commendable. In most areas, however, his alternative explanations seem only barely possible. Moreover, Wiggins offers no alternative to the recent consensus that sun worship was a Yahwistic phenomenon but to relegate the existence of sun worship to the realm only of the 'possible', which is untenable in light of the evidence. Specific criticisms of Wiggins include a severe downplaying of the religious significance of iconography and solar symbols, and a tendency to simplify, overlook or misunderstand key features in the debate. In the case of Ezek. 8.16 and 1 Kgs 8.12 (v. 53 LXX) he simply assumes the mutual exclusivity of Yahweh and the sun, thereby avoiding the possibility that the sun was considered to be symbolic of the presence of Yahweh."

mountainman · 03-10-2013, 10:30 PM

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I have nothing against Pete personally, but c'mon, to elevate his strange and strained theories over the work of Acharya is simply ridiculous.

Earl, someone has to take the stand and call Eusebius's bluff. The Historical Jesus Poker game has been in progess long enough. That is all I am doing. It is neither strange nor strained. Rather it resolves to one very simple hypothesis by which all the avaliable evidence may be investigated. I certainly expect masses of hegemonic flack for assuming this lone out-rider position. But hey, I feel that someone has got to do it.

Have a wonderful day.

Best wishes

Pete

εὐδαιμονία | eudaimonia

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stephan huller · 03-10-2013, 11:46 PM

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Earl, someone has to take the stand and call Eusebius's bluff. The Historical Jesus Poker game has been in progess long enough. That is all I am doing.

The world has waited almost two thousand years for its true Savior. At last, he has come.

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	There is a preview of Taylor's book on google books. Also a review by Steve Wiggins here, which questions whether YHWH was actually regarded as the sun, or whether metaphorical language was used to compare him to the sun.

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outhouse Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Auburn ca Posts: 4,269	Having a East facing entrance at Tel Motza is typical of many temples. In no way can this site be tied to Yahweh and sun worship. These people at this site were a polytheistic cult of unknown origin. There not even sure if they were proto Israelites

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