kcdad

They are metaphorical... if one thousand is a boat load.. 5000 is a m.fing boat load and 600,000... well... that is a like a 13 trillion federal Budget ... BTW what day was man created on? 6 almost always refers to human beings, 5 is a "working" number (fingers on the hand) and 4... the number of moon phases???

You can't take any numbers in The Bible literally. The Arabs and Jews never have thought of numbers in story telling to be important.

kcdad

I don't even know what the racist phrase "Chinese whispers" means.

aa5874

So if no-one can take any numbers in the Bible literally why are supplying bogus information by saying "1000 means almost everyone" and "500 means half the people".

Just tell the people the truth.

Tell them that you literally don't know what 1000 or 500 means in the Bible or else I am going to ask what numbers in the Bible mean metaphorically and to prove it.

Toto

Chinese_whispers

The name is evidently not considered racist in Britain.

Larkin31

Thanks.

kcdad

A lot of things are not considered racist in England... calling Indians blacks, or black devils isn't racist either... unless you are black or Indian or Pakistani.

"Great White Hunter" originated there, too, I would guess.

"Eeny meeny miney moe, catch a N****R by the toe" probably isn't racist either.

aa5874:
"Tell them that you literally don't know what 1000 or 500 means in the Bible"

I think I already did... they don't mean anything literally.

aa5874

But, you are already on record claiming that "1000 means almost everyone...so 500 means half the people.

It would seem that you have recanted.

But, in any event, now that you are on record admitting that numbers may not be taken literally in the Bible, you must now understand that when the Bible claims there was one called Jesus, the offspring of the Holy Ghost, that YOU should NOT take that number LITERALLY.

And the historical records will show that there were MANY called Jesus and not one of them like the Jesus in the Bible, the Holy Ghost of God.

You appear to be right. Do not take numbers in the Bible literally since ONE may actually mean NONE.

The HJ is a most SENSELESS proposition since after examining the NT and Church writings numbers may NOT be taken taken literally.

When the Bible claimed that ONE called Jesus fed 5000 men with 5 loaves and 2 fish
and that 12 baskets of fragments were left, it is very likely that the numbers ONE, 5000, 5, 2 and 12 equalled 0..

No such event ever happened.

You appear to be right.

Numbers in the Bible may not be taken literally, not even ONE.

kcdad

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.'

How many toves were there?

aa5874

The HJ is a most SENSELESS proposition.

After examining the NT and Church writings, Jesus, the Holy Ghost of God, appears to be a fundamentally invented fiction character.

From empiricism all the so-called miracles of Holy Ghost-Man are fiction or implausible as found in gMark, the same applies to gMatthew, gLuke and gJohn.

Chapter after chapter of the gospels are loaded with fiction.

The Gospel of gMark was virtually entirely soaked in fiction with respect to Jesus, now look at gMatthew, this gospel too, is filled with fiction.

Matthew 1.18..............Fiction.....the holy ghost conception
Matthew 1.23..............Fiction.....the holy ghost conception

Matthew 2..................Fiction...the story of the star and the killing of the innocent.

Matthew 3.16-17.........Fiction...the dove like the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 4.1-10...........Fiction....the temptation by the devil.

Matthew 8.1-4............Fiction.....the instant healing of the leper.
Matthew 8.6-13..........Fiction...the healing a man with palsy or paralysis.
Matthew 8.15-16........Fiction...the healing of fever.
Matthew 8.22-27........Fiction....a storm at sea obeys Jesus and become calm.
Matthew 8.28-32........Fiction....Jesus transfers some devils to pigs.

Matthew 9.1-7.........Fiction....Jesus heals a man with palsy.
Matthew 9. 20-22.....Fiction....The clothes of Jesus healed a woman.
Matthew 9.25..........Fiction....Jesus brings a dead girl to life.
Matthew 9.28-30.....Fiction....Jesus heals two blind men.
Matthew 9.32-34.....Fiction.... Jesus heals the dumb.

Matthew 12.9-13.....Fiction....Jesus heals a man with a withered hand.
Matthew 12.22........Fiction....Jesus heals a blind and dumb.

Mathhew 14.14-21...Fiction.....Jesus feeds 5000 men with 5 loaves and two fish.
Matthew 14.22-32...Fiction... Jesus walks on water and talks to a storm.

Matthew 15.30-31..Fiction...Jesus healed many that were blind, dumb.....

Matthew 17.1-6......Fiction..Jesus transfigures with once dead prophets
Matthew 17.15-18...Fiction...Jesus heals a madman.

Matthew 28.6....Fiction....Jesus resurrects.

If Jesus was actually human he could not have done those miracles and those who were with Jesus would have lied if they claimed the claim Jesus performed miracles that are just not humanly possible.

The HJ is a most SENSELESS proposition since only a belief is needed for the Jesus story to be accepted.

Selsaral

I may be wrong, but it seems that a core aspect of this debate is whether or not it's reasonable to assume that fictional characters of history (like Jesus) had historical cores or not. This topic was briefly touched on in the middle of this thread and then abandoned.

I think AA's argument rests (with incredible force) on the idea that without a particular reason to think so, it's not reasonable to conclude that a character like Jesus must have had a historical core.

Am I wrong to think this is an important point? Or did everyone already work it over and move on beyond where I'm at?