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If Jesus did Live he was either Mad, an Idiot or a Liar or a combination of all or any three.

Examine the words of Jesus.

1. John 10:30 KJV 2. John 8:58 KJV3. John 14:6 KJV4. John 14:2 KJV 5. John 3:3 KJV6. John 16:7 KJV7. Mark 9:31 KJV

mountainman

You have made numerous and as yet unsupported claims in this thread and in this forum at large.

The time has come for you to cite your sources.

Which historians state that Jesus was a traveling teacher going around Galilee healing for food scraps?






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outhouse

The bible states as much.

He traveled and healed for free. He would only ask for a shared meal. He tells his disciples to leave their beggar bowls.

There is also a absense of travels into Tiberius or Sepphoris.

http://www.johndominiccrossan.com/Th...al%20Jesus.htm

Crossan


To those first followers from the peasant villages of Lower Galilee who asked how to repay his exorcisms and cures, he gave a simple answer, simple, that is, to understand but hard as death itself to undertake. You are healed healers, he said, so take the Kingdom to others, for I am not its patron and you are not its brokers. It is, was, and always will be available to any who want it. Dress as I do, like a beggar, but do not beg. Bring a miracle and request a table. Those you heal must accept you into their homes.

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mountainman

FFS. The Bible is not history and was not written by an historian.

You may as well cite a Phantom comic.





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outhouse

Pete

My point is this section is Biblical Crticism, it would really help if you new what was in the bible before criticizing it, or others views.

The bible while factually containing mythology, does not mean that it does not contain evidence to determine history.

mountainman

This section is BC&H. I am not criticising anyone's views.

You made a claim that Historians state he was a traveling teacher going around Galilee healing for food scraps, avoiding the large Hellenistic centers. I am criticising this claim.

This was not the issue. You made the claim that historians stated something. I expect the statements of historians to exist outside the bible within the field of ancient history capable of being cited when challenged.

Where does an historian state that he was a traveling teacher going around Galilee healing for food scraps?

Outhouse did you mean to say that this claim may be adduced by reading the books of the new testament?






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outhouse

I already cited two sources.


Crossan, and the bible itself makes this claim. I did not state either was credible or anything other then mythology as written.


My personal claim is that yes he was a poor peasant teacher/healer traveling between small villages with nothing more then a good story and theology that kept him fed.

mountainman

OK I found it:


There is a big difference in my mind between "Biblical Historians" and "Ancient Historians".

You seem to use the two interchangeably.






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outhouse

You seperate the two because of personal bias, and give ancient historians leeway and credibility you would never use or give a scholar.


Not all scholars are apologist. No one I know follows apologist anyway.

Crossan is not a apologist and is credible while showing no bias. I dont follow his view completely.

mountainman

Nonsense. I separate the two because the two forms of scholarship, although there is obviously some overlap,
are quite distinct, and are advertised as such by every academic institution on the planet.


By scholar I presume you mean "Biblical Historian". Both "Biblical Historians" and "Ancient Historians" may be scholars,
but their fields of scholarship (and more importantly their criteria and scope and methodology) are not the same.

I see Biblical History as a subset of Ancient History.

Let me admit from the start that I am rather impervious to
any claim that sacred history poses problems which are not
those of profane history.

The contrary however is not true.




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