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Secular Pinoy · 10-22-2003, 06:38 AM

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Originally posted by Oolon Colluphid
Care to explain, Magus?

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Originally posted by Oolon Colluphid
Please, Magus, try thinking.

Ah, but you see, Magus already has the answer to such trifle matters:

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Originally posted by Magus55
This is a supernatural event by definition.

[...]

Sometimes i think too much reasoning can be unhealthy....

Jeremy Pallant · 10-22-2003, 06:46 AM

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Originally posted by Biff the unclean
[The shipyard that refitted the USS Constitution (Old Ironsides) about five years ago could handle that contract.
There are still square riggers around Jeremy. Several large East and West coast cities host fleet weeks for them. There are no secret, arcane ship building skills that are lost in the mists of time.

You sure about that? There's a lot of technology that's been lost in the mists of time. For example, we don't actually know how chain mail was made. Oh, we can make chain mail, but we still don't know how it was originally made. The procedure was never written down and had to be inferred. Likewise classic Damascus Steel.

Besides. Refitting a ship isn't the same as building one from scratch, though I grant you my example was fairly poor, and actually had a hidden catch no-one's picked up on yet.

So, how big were Cheng Ho's ships. As I've indicated I am aware that there is dispute over their size.

rmadison · 10-22-2003, 06:57 AM

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Originally posted by Jeremy Pallant
You sure about that? There's a lot of technology that's been lost in the mists of time. For example, we don't actually know how chain mail was made. Oh, we can make chain mail, but we still don't know how it was originally made. The procedure was never written down and had to be inferred. Likewise classic Damascus Steel.

We don't have to know how chain mail was made to know that it couldn't stop armor piercing bullets.

It's not the manufacturing process that's in question. It's the integrity of the finished product. That is, "Would it work?"

We are talking about real, physical, limitations on size and strength due to the material; wood.

What properties must we invest in gopher wood to make the ark a viable ship?

Hint: It isn't wood anymore. It's steel.

Celsus · 10-22-2003, 07:53 AM

This thread has never really fit BC&H, and since it is versus a generally creationist approach, I'll try it out in E/C.

Joel

Tod · 10-22-2003, 08:15 AM

Hey magus!

Why didn't you answer my question?

How does one interpret "waters...flowing over mountains" to mean that mountains are raising?

Oolon Colluphid · 10-22-2003, 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by Magus55
God could put the animals in a state of hibernation whenever he wanted too, whether it was natural or not. No one is arguing that the flood could happen without God.

So, uh, why did God put himself to all this extra work? If he wanted everything but a pair of each dead, surely he could just *poof* them? After all, you think he poofed them into existence in the first place.

How did they all get to the ark, and how did they get to the particular bits of the globe they now occupy afterwards?
God miracled it.

How did they all fit on the ark?
God miracled it.

How did Noah and Nellie not spend 48 hours a day just shovelling shit? God miracled it.

Why bother with all these extra miracles? Is God limited in some way? He apparently is, so please read this page. A limited god is not as advertised, and so is not a usable hypothesis to explain the alleged phenomena. Even if we don�t know what the correct answer is, we can know that this hypothesis ain�t it.

TTFN, Oolon

Oolon Colluphid · 10-22-2003, 09:17 AM

<sigh> Ah well, since we�re covering all the old ground -- erm, water...

Magus, were insects on the ark?

What did the anteaters eat?

How many kinds were on the ark?

(What is a �kind�?)

Why was the ark not a plague ship full of rotting corpses long before Ararat? (Or where exactly do you think all the obligate parasites and pathogens were, since nothing at all survived the flood except the ark�s denizens?)

How did the koalas get to Australia and the hummingbirds to South America afterwards?

Ah, sorry, I know the answer. God had nothing better to do than dozens of miracles to make it all possible.

TTFN, Oolon

Oolon Colluphid · 10-22-2003, 09:21 AM

Silly old Oolon. :banghead: We've not only been here before; we've been here before with Magus.
Magus 55 defends the global flood
funnily enough, Magus ran away from 'defending' the flood last time. I wonder how he'll do this time?

TTFN, Oolon

N.Wells · 10-22-2003, 09:29 AM

Don't forget all the human parasites and diseases that had to be residing on Noah and his family.

And all the (pick one) freshwater fish or saltwater fish (or more probably both, given that the flood was full of all the sediment that was about to be deposited to make the geological column.)

Oolon Colluphid · 10-22-2003, 09:29 AM

Can I make a prediction? This is the last we�ll hear from Magus on this matter... for a few months, at least.

Well, one slight caveat: he might turn up to complain about such posts as this and my last couple. But not to answer the questions.

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10-22-2003, 07:53 AM	#104
Celsus Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Singapore Posts: 2,875	This thread has never really fit BC&H, and since it is versus a generally creationist approach, I'll try it out in E/C. Joel

10-22-2003, 08:15 AM	#105
Tod Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 152	Hey magus! Why didn't you answer my question? How does one interpret "waters...flowing over mountains" to mean that mountains are raising?

10-22-2003, 09:17 AM	#107
Oolon Colluphid Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Alibi: ego ipse hinc extermino Posts: 12,591	<sigh> Ah well, since we�re covering all the old ground -- erm, water... Magus, were insects on the ark? What did the anteaters eat? How many kinds were on the ark? (What is a �kind�?) Why was the ark not a plague ship full of rotting corpses long before Ararat? (Or where exactly do you think all the obligate parasites and pathogens were, since nothing at all survived the flood except the ark�s denizens?) How did the koalas get to Australia and the hummingbirds to South America afterwards? Ah, sorry, I know the answer. God had nothing better to do than dozens of miracles to make it all possible. TTFN, Oolon

10-22-2003, 09:21 AM	#108
Oolon Colluphid Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Alibi: ego ipse hinc extermino Posts: 12,591	Silly old Oolon. :banghead: We've not only been here before; we've been here before with Magus. Magus 55 defends the global flood funnily enough, Magus ran away from 'defending' the flood last time. I wonder how he'll do this time? TTFN, Oolon

10-22-2003, 09:29 AM	#109
N.Wells Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kent, Ohio Posts: 782	Don't forget all the human parasites and diseases that had to be residing on Noah and his family. And all the (pick one) freshwater fish or saltwater fish (or more probably both, given that the flood was full of all the sediment that was about to be deposited to make the geological column.)

10-22-2003, 09:29 AM	#110
Oolon Colluphid Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Alibi: ego ipse hinc extermino Posts: 12,591	Can I make a prediction? This is the last we�ll hear from Magus on this matter... for a few months, at least. Well, one slight caveat: he might turn up to complain about such posts as this and my last couple. But not to answer the questions.

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