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Old 11-04-2005, 09:18 PM   #101
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Old 11-04-2005, 11:16 PM   #102
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In answer to your Judas statement:

Matthew 27.

1. Judas gets 30 silver coins
2. Realises what he had done and wants to return the money.
3. Priests couldn't care less what he had done - Judas flings the money into the temple and leaves.
4. He went away and hung himself
5. Priests use the money to by the potter's field to use as a burial ground for foreigners.

Acts 1

1. With the reward Judas got, he bought a field.
2. There he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines fell out.

Firstly if the Bible is correct in everything that it says then:

The priests wouldn't accept 'blood money' for their own use. It was against the law to put it into the treasury, because of what it had been used to condemn an innocent man to death.

That field were Judas hung himself would have been considered cursed/defiled (Remember the whole of Jerusalem heard about it- the priests then bought the field in Judas' name for they couldn't consider the money as their own, so it was his money and hence the reason why it became a graveyard for foreigners.

I guess the biggest problem that is seen with this is not that Juads fell headlong - since he could well have fell after hanging himself, rather it is in that statement of Peter "Judas bought a field".

Looking at it from a different angle - did the priests buy the field?

If I have 10 dollars, and I give the $10 to my little brother and tell him to go down to the shop and get me $10 worth of sweets. He returns and gives me the sweets.

Who bought the sweets?

Sure my little brother paid for the sweets, but did he buy them?

The answer is that I bought them - because my money was paid, they are mine - I get them. My brother only acted as a messenger to get the money from my wallet to the shop.

There is a difference between paying and buying. If I pay for something, I have not necessarily bought it. eg. I pay for the flights for my sister, but it is she who has bought the tickets.

The person who buys something exchanges their money for something and therefore owns what they have bought. If you use my money to get something you can't say that you own it, it is still mine because you only paid my money.

So Peter is correct when he says that Judas bought the field

It wasn't the priests' money - it was Judas' - he bought the field, the priests only paid for it.
Matthew attributes this quote to Jeremiah, but Jeremiah has no verse that is even similar to the words given in Matthew. Matthew confused Jeremiah with Zechariah.

Mt.27:9
"Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, "And they took the thirty pieces of silver, and the value of Him who was priced, whom they of the children of Israel priced."

Zech.11:12-13
"So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prized at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD."

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.co...a/mq_mt27.html
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Old 11-05-2005, 11:00 AM   #103
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The Bible reliably and effectively communicates God's character,basic moral rules, and his plan for mankind. There is strategic and tactical ambiguity in the Bible for very very good reason. Denominationism is a good thing not a bad thing.
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Old 11-05-2005, 11:19 AM   #104
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Just so you guys know, this thread ended in 2003, and was only ressurected because WinAce started it.
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Old 11-05-2005, 01:16 PM   #105
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WinAce was my "friendly loyal opposition" for five years on CF......he would want to go out with a fight!
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I've only just heard about WinAce, but from all the comments it appears that he touched a lot of lives.
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