Magus55

Well, what else are you supposed to say? If a miracle caused it, you have to invoke miracles to explain it. Why would we defend it naturally, when we believe it was a miracle?

JTurtle

I think everyone is forgetting (or possibly they just do not know) that Jesus was FULLY human! Was he the divine Son of God? Yes, he was ALSO FULLY human. So based on this fact, Jesus would have have blood just like us, with DNA and chromatin and all the like. He also would have had all the organs that any other human male has....he was fully human.....

Jonathan

The Evil One

Then whose Y chromo did he have?

Either it was a copy of some Y chromo already somewhere in the human gene pool. In which case Jesus inherited genetic information from a mortal, sinful forbear.

Or, it was a brand new Y chromo written especially by God for the purpose. In which case Jesus was not fully human.

The incoherence of the Incarnation becomes really blatant when you run it up against the known facts of human reproduction...

Edit to add: not that any doctrine requiring belief in single person being both fully human and fully divine needs to be any more blatantly incoherent...

Queen of Swords

Originally posted by JTurtle
I think everyone is forgetting (or possibly they just do not know) that Jesus was FULLY human!

Did he have the so-called "sin nature" passed down by Adam as humanity's curse for something humanity didn't do? If not, he wasn't fully human.

Postcard73

Isn't Jesus' purity a contradiction of your statement? According to Christianity, to be human is to be tainted by man's fall. Jesus lacked the taint and was thus not fully human.

Edit- It's really weird. I posted 30+ minutes after QoS, but I didn't see her comment until I posted mine. Oh well- great minds think alike I suppose.

La ilaha

Of course the people who made up these stories had no idea what DNA was but I think this would still qualify as human within the bounds of Christian mythos. Presumably god also must have had to write Adam and Eve's complete DNA, and they were human.

kciredor reprah

No one has addressed Jebus' line of decent yet. I order for him to be a direct decendant of David, he would have had to have had the blood from unpure sinners running through his viens. Why would the bible make this claim if it were untrue?

I wish there was some way to conduct DNA analysis, we may find a few modern day decendants.

100

Amos

They are not attractive because you keep trying to justify the birth of a physical Jesus. We know and accept that Jesus had a dual nature wherein he was both God and human and you are trying to attribute the human nature to God, which is impossible because God is spirit. In this case, as always, the God identity was born unto a human being and this has nothing to do with the transfer of a Y chromosome except that it must exist before God can be born unto the human identity.

In this story it was not Jesus but Christ that was born unto Joseph, who would be called Jesus now in the beginning of his transition period from human to God if and when he can have his own human identity nailed to the cross. So what we are really doing here is making a God out of a human being but not until after the God identity is reborn in the mind of the enterprising human here called Joseph. It is just that simple and is what all born again Christians are hoping to achieve.

The above would explain the genealogy of Joseph and would make Mary the woman identity of Joseph that was set free from her duty to guard the Tree of Life after the "fiery revolving sword" (from Gen3:24, all metaphor) was reborn first into the conscious mind (Tree of Knowledge) of Joseph.

The transition from human to God takes place in Purgatory and therefore the Gospels, where this purification is demonstrated, take place in purgatory. It also explains the absense of the "infancy narrative," which really is not a matter of years but of comprehension so he can get out of purgatory in 40 months instead of 40 years -- and die there nonetheless.

Amlodhi

Hello kciredor reprah

Actually, someone has:

But it's fine that you should bring it up again; just to remind Magus that it's still there staring him in the face.


Namaste'

Amlodhi

Magus55

No, according to Christianity, to be a blood relative of Adam makes one tainted. Jesus wasn't born from a human man, hence why He didn't inherit sin.