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Old 09-20-2012, 12:49 PM   #31
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if there was no Bible could God and Jesus still exist?
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Old 09-20-2012, 01:08 PM   #32
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After seeing a Christian response to posts #8 and #11.
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This is not the forum to debate the issue of Who is a True ChristianTM

Christians cannot agree among themselves. Outsiders can only look on in amusement at the process.
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Old 09-20-2012, 01:28 PM   #34
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Who is an outsider? Some of them seem to be perfectly sure that there is no Christ, yet they are the world's experts at deciding who is a Christian!
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After seeing a Christian response to posts #8 and #11.
What does that have to do with God necessarily needing the Bible to exist? That doesn't make sense.
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The first part of my argument is hidden, because it's a derail, basically, although my last point in it is worthy of notice. The part that is not hidden, I would like to focus upon so the discussion goes forward.

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My whole rationale can be summed up as plainly as this: if there was no Bible could God and Jesus still exist? Of course they could. Their power does not come from words in a book no matter how much weight some Christians place on it. So other than Bible literalists, the OP's argument is not convincing. As I alluded to before, what you are trying to do is on par with contradicting the theory of gravity by attacking a science textbook. So retool and try a new tack...
"If there was no Bible can Jesus exist"? What sort of a question is that? Does the story go that Jesus was born of a virgin or a Bible?

Let's better use plain language, shall we? The question is this:


The Jesus idea comes from the Jesus story, and it has one sourcebook, the Bible. Or what other source does it have?
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Yes, the triune God is eternal

For a believing Christian to say that the existence of the triune god does not depend on the timing of the revelation or the incarnation of the Logos is the only consistent answer and it is the only possible one.

Long ago, say 20000 years ago, there was no Hebrew Bible and there was no Greek Testament, but the triune God is eternal and existed then and always.
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If there's one, there have to be three!
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"If there was no Bible can Jesus exist"? What sort of a question is that? Does the story go that Jesus was born of a virgin or a Bible?

Let's better use plain language, shall we? The question is this:


The Jesus idea comes from the Jesus story, and it has one sourcebook, the Bible. Or what other source does it have?
Well, if you believe that Jesus was historical, his life and ministry is the "sourcebook" that the gospels were based on. If you believe that Jesus was mythical, then the gospels (or whatever prototype the gospels were based) would be the sourcebook.

Obviously, no one has written a book about me, but my grandchildren will know who I am based on stories passed down.
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