Gurdur

You really must learn some logic, Heathen Dawn; all that emotion can't be good for you.


Let me describe the fallacy of false dichotomy you're committing in really, really easy terms, OK ?

The phrase "cold and uncaring" is an emotionally laden one.
Got that ?
It carries emotional connotations of emotional distancing, of emotional neglect or rejection.
Follow ?

Therefore, to describe the universe as "cold and uncaring" is simply wrong --- because it uses subtlely misleading emotionally laden terms.
Got that ?

The universe neither cares nor "doesn't care"; to say something "doesn't care" is to implicitly ascribe intentionality to that something --- and therefore in the case of the universe, it's a wrong description.

There, wasn't that easy ?

Heathen Dawn

Ad Hominem.

Starboy

If the argument is completely venom then you have a point, but if there is an argument with venom inserted invoking ad hominem doesn't dismiss the non-venomous parts. Also ad hominem may dismiss an argument based entirely on venom but it doesn't dismiss the point of the venomous argument. Just because people are pissed off at Nazis and have nothing for it but venom doesn't mean that they are not as described. At best ad hominem dismisses the venom in an argument, but not the non-venomous parts and certainly not the point. When I have seen Gurdur use it, he is completely dismissive and does not address either the non-venomous parts of the argument and usually ignores the actual point. I see his philosophical comments as mostly editorial in nature (spelling, ad hominem, ad XYZ), they are primarily about form and lack much in the way of substance.

Starboy

AJ113

Of course it is! It's my point. It's the point I made in my post. Go back and read it if you don't believe me.

The point is, nothing excuses the constant flow of venomous ad hominems; they are no adequate substitute for rational argumentation, and only detract from it.

Nope, that is your point. Not mine. However I will comment on your point:

I do not see a constant flow of venomous ad hominems. I see Magus and others like him admonished when they make the type of statement based on blind faith that accuses, condemns or judges others without good reason. This type of accusation is insulting and the perpetrator deserves to be chided IMO.

hope's daughter

Excuse me HD is a she. I think you knew this and GOD inspires art. Hell... well hell can also be of your own making. You can cut yourself off from all those who love you. Depression does this to people. Many of the Pslams of David point to deprsssion and David's struggle with sin and the hiddenness of God.

Faith in God is not for the faint hearted and if you allow Him to have His will in your life, He will lead to a deeper and intense recognition of Himself and His wisdom. But you can not be afaid of allowing Himself to exert full measure of soveriegnty upon your life: to abondon yourself to His eternal fire.

As far as Dawkins is concerned, God is the maker of reality.

Gurdur

Really ?
Check with the mods.
I was making a considered judgment of Biff's judgmental capabilities in view of the fact he relied on childish insults directed at me and unsubstantiated despite direct questioning; and I made that reply to Biff's question where he allegedly expressed worry about making false judgments --- since I don't see him as having the necessary capability for the relevant judgment, I'm not worried if he makes a wrong one ---- which is why I couldn't care less as to what judgment he makes.

Easy, eh ?

HelenM

I think seebs was referring to Heathen Dawn, who is a he.

Helen

Gurdur

ROFLMAO !


No, Starboy, the point is the sheer incessant level of venom, and also the non-acceptance of moderation.

ROFL !
I'll repeat:
Pointing out an ad hominem is simply pointing out an ad hominem. I'm not required to do more; and you've failed to come up with any evidence that I have dismissed an argument invalidly because of ad hominems in it.

But then, you haven't brought in any evidence for so many of your claims, yes ?


Naaaaaawwwww, I had a long discussion with you on this thread here, where we discussed philosophy and science, Starboy, and while I provided all the substance, you eventually confessed you didn't know either philosophy or science, and you lack credentials or experience, and you couldn't back up any of your claims .

IOW, the lack of substance is not my problem, but yours, Starboy.

hope's daughter

Ahhh... Well this is not fair. Heathen Dawn gets capital letters. I am asigned lower case.

Gurdur

Wrong again !
It's not just my point; as Livius said, she's been making the point for 19 pages, and she has spoken --- as mod of this forum too --- about conditions here in GRD. And her view of what happens here is significantly different from yours.