Dharma

incorrect, there have been cases where yogis have been documented in sanskrit texts to have stopped their breath INDEFINATELY...as I said, currently science and biological science is not capable of understanding how it is done...

I also mention in one of my posts the Hindu concept of the trinity, which is the definition of the perception of time...the past or the force of Tamas is a retrogressive force defined by Shiva, the present is Sattva represented by Vishnu and Brahma is the Rajas force of forward motion of time...these three forces unite in something called "Brahma" which is defined as the "true self" in which there is the realization that there is no force at all...in other words, what modern scientists call the "fabric of space time" is quite clearly defined by the Hindu trinity as tangible forces...

Dharma

similarly I can say meditation should not spawn cults, as long as everyone meditates why would I care if someone like Jesus walked on water or about anyone calling themselves "chosen people" if the correct methods of meditations are available to ALL people and everyone practices? It is again laziness mental weakness that leads one to follow some religious or political leader...

again, one would say that the racial theories of the Nazis came from Nazi scientists...perhaps scientists themselves can be a part of cults and use science to further their cult, example...there are several scientists working for Osama Bin Laden...

people must remember that both science and religion are themselves not self born or self existing entities, both are dependant on human ability to PROPERLY reason, and not just by a few people, many people must be able to reason and judge things...when this stops happening you have people herding around quack ideas being passed around as TRUE science, and strange fascist religious ideas that pass around as TRUE religion...

mirage

Irrelevant to my post, but since you mention it, this has never happened.
Not reliably. If it was possible there would be no problem in repeating the feat whilst monitored by medics in the presence of independent observers. Never happened.
Blah, blah. Word salad as they say around here. Have you got anything to say to support your allegation that there is something comparable to relativity or evolution theory in these texts?

It's not all I'm after, but it is the only way of reliably acquiring this bookish knowledge. Spiritual texts may do all sorts of things, but they do not contribute to current scientific understanding in the way you have suggested.

Dharma

as I said if science was so great, today they would have the cure to the common cold, so you believe in science as some theist believes in religion with absolutely no proof of having done anything great, so far applied science is quite weak...frankly some Yogis who have been monitored are doing scientists a favor by showing them exactly how little they know and how a real religion works...

there were several documented cases of Yogis and Buddhist yogis who were monitored under controlled conditions ..so it was/is an observed fact, quite well documented recently by MRI brain scans on Buddhist meditators I believe
in MIT...I believe this is just the beginning...I really don't think Buddhists and Hindus are afraid of the scientist, they themselves are internal scientists...Hindus and Buddhists don't work on faith alone...we want yogis who don't breath...then we stay hindus...

Dharma

yes, in fact the very people who brought you your dear theories of relativity (Einstein, Heisenberg, Bohr, ) give credit to the Hindus and eastern thinkers, perhaps you should read what they read, maybe you might get to steal an idea and call it your own? :sneaky:

sourdough

what is this,a fricking joke?
how many people have died lately from a common cold?
simply keeping warm and drinking plenty of fluids will cure your cold anyday!
totaly retarded comparison,imo,
we dont believe.... we TRUST science
as science gives us knowledge of how things work/are as it repeatedly tests and measures everything until theres no doubt about what the TRUTH/reality is.

religion gives us a whole pile of horseshit fantasies.
:rolling:
I''ll stick with modern science over your religious delusions any day..

mirage

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No. Wrong. Citations of stopped hearts or breathing for indefinate periods please, or shut up. Variation in heartrate is well understood. It's called the autonomic nervous system and you can train it with bio feedback.

mirage

None of them credit the Eastern thinkers with a scientific theory of relativity. None of them say that the theory of evolution is "nothing new". The eastern thinkers did not allege common descent. You are wrong. Be grown up and admit you overstated your case.

nbdy

wow other religions besides christianity also make outragous claims about the supposed supiorority of there knowledge in a sad attempt to bolster the validity of thier beliefe system,while, at the same time of handedly dismissing science for not meeting standerds thier own system couldnt live up to either, suprise suprise.

Question dahrma has Hindueism, or any other system for that matter actually cured the common cold? If the answer is no how could you possibly use such a standered in evaluating the system? wouldnt such a standered make all other systems equally invalid?


the truth of the matter is even if hinduism had the knowledge that science possesed beforehand it still did absolutly nothing usefull with it. While science was deriving all sorts of usefull world improving theories and Mechinisms from its available knowledge, Hinduism was for some reason encodeing them in a series of vague writings.

i am not interested in wich team had the ball the longest. what i want to know is wich team was able to put it in the basket.

i mean no disrespect to you personally dahrma but i find these kinds of arguements silly. Every religion i have ever come across has claimed this exact same thing in some form or another, if you want to assert this extreemly radical idea you better have some very good evidence

Narapoia

So you believe Jesus came back to life because it says so in the bible? Why on earth should I believe that the impossible is possible because I read it in some old writings?

That's another good thing about science, people tend to be sceptical if your references are thousands of years old.

You can believe that the hindu trinity describes space time if you like, I however am not convinved. It looks to me like ancient philosophy being contorted to fit a modern understanding of the universe. If some of the people who worked on these modern theories were also interested in hinduism etc (Of which I am still not entirely convinced) thats fine but I can assure you there is no mention of sattva, tamas, rajas or brahma in the theories of space time, quantum mechanics, relativity or evolution.