Shake

That was a good essay!

From the original piece in the o.p.:As has been shown, he obviously doesn't even understand the atheist anyway. First off, we don't even believe in a hell. Second, we may well realize that we have given up some sort of comfort by eliminating the yoke of belief, but many of us now see ourselves as free!

The consequences of our non-belief? What? That we have to take our morals from a source other than religion? Oh, the horror! Really, just ridiculous. Just lump this Vox Day guy in with all those others who seem to think "religion" = "morals", so there's no way atheists could be moral. :banghead:

Katarzyna

I don't quite understand what he's getting at here.

Atheists approach a moral code by considering the usefulness of such a code. Will following this code lead to a better society, a more harmonious existence with humanity, a better life for my loved ones, etc? If so, then it's a good idea to follow this code.

Theists, according to Vox, follow the codes because they're commanded to. So, it's more rational to follow moral codes because some guy 4000 years ago heard a voice on a mountain, vs considering whether the code is valuable or not.

Uhm. Right.

Kat

Gregg

Exactly right! Ah, it's so refreshing to see someone come around to the theistic way of thinking!

Biff

Seems like Vox has been getting a lot of flak over this article. One recent post on his blog is his response to a reasonable atheist who basically deconstructs and destroys his argument.

One fascinating part of the dialogue is that the atheist will often point out that Vox has substituted bluster and bombast for a rational argument, and Vox admits he's trying to be provocative.

Apparently, when one is a Mensa member, and above mere mortals, one does not need to actually formulate a rational argument or back it up with facts.

Biff

Naked Ape

So he's in mensa?

Why do you think he prefers believing to thinking?

Cheers,

Naked Ape

Hermit

I've been having an amusing e-mail exchange with Mr. Day, after seeing a post on his blog (which has since disappeared) in which he pulled out the tired old game of "Body Count"; you know the one, where the noble theist points out how atheist Commies have commited all of the worst crimes of history (he manages to include Hitler under the Atheist Commie banner, of course and like all good ideologues who can't admit that their own dogmas can lead to horrible consequences, downplays religious crimes like the Inquisition and ignores the equally awful excesses of the Thirty Years War, Colonialism etc. etc. Don't get me started......).

Then to add to the fun, I quite accidentally came across this remarkably Stalinesque solution to the Palestinian terrorist problem, courtesy of the oh so moral Mr. Day:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=26870
Collective punishment as a moral option?! Not in this atheist's parasitic relativist situational morality...........

Wayne P

Why 1000 adults for every child????? And as to mass reprisals, weren't there some Nazis who got convicted of that sort of thing at Nuremberg? How does he sleep at night???

erimir

You'd almost think he would've gone all the way and said 1000 Palestinian children for every Israeli child.

Someone should email him a link to that story on About.com which was a much better critique of his article than the ones he chooses to respond to on his site. It didn't contest his historical facts so much as the logic behind it, which would force Vox Day to actually address the problems of his logic.

Hermit

Those articles on About Atheism were great; I included the links in my last e-mail to Mr. Day; haven't heard back. I suspect I'm on the ignore list by now......

:boohoo:

TomboyMom

The anti-gay marriage rant in his BLOG demonstrates why "Christian Libertarian" is an oxymoron. Any true libertarian is in favor of gay rights and against the government legislating private sexual behavior.