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Sheshbazzar · 03-10-2013, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Hi, Sheshbazzar, most people live in their own little universe and decide to do what they think is right in their own eyes, and may one day regret their foolishness.

Now, why did you choose the name Sheshbazzar? I have a fondness for the person who had that name in the Scriptures. KB

You are new here. I have been here for about 10 years and 7000+ posts, and I have told my story often.
Bearing that name, as I have since before I ever used or owned a PC, I have a bit more connection with its significance.

Do you think you would be anywhere as near as fond of the -person- of ששבצר העברי, as you are of the name of ששבצר העברי ?
What if ששבצר העברי didn't at all fit your preconceptions?

ששבצר העברי

Ken Brown · 03-10-2013, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

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Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Hi, Sheshbazzar, most people live in their own little universe and decide to do what they think is right in their own eyes, and may one day regret their foolishness.

Now, why did you choose the name Sheshbazzar? I have a fondness for the person who had that name in the Scriptures. KB

You are new here. I have been here for about 10 years and 7000+ posts, and I have told my story often.
Bearing that name, as I have since before I ever used or owned a PC, I have a bit more connection with its significance.

Do you think you would be anywhere as near as fond of the -person- of ששבצר העברי, as you are of the name of ששבצר העברי ?
What if ששבצר העברי didn't at all fit your preconceptions?

ששבצר העברי

Hi Sheshbazzar, I know I am new here, and you do deserve respect for being here a long as you have. With that being said, you have no concept or idea of what my preconceptions are. I have just given you a snippet of The Red Heifer, and you have made a very foolish determination. KB

Sheshbazzar · 03-10-2013, 04:43 PM

You are here. And you have already given us pretty good idea of your manner of textual interpretation. You can continue to spill your guts if you wish.

Ken Brown · 03-10-2013, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

You are here. And you have already given us pretty good idea of your manner of textual interpretation. You can continue to spill your guts if you wish.

Hi Sheshbazzar, maybe I'll follow this advice instead:

(Josh 6:10) And Joshua had commanded the people, saying, Ye shall not shout, nor make any noise with your voice, neither shall [any] word proceed out of your mouth, until the day I bid you shout; then shall ye shout.

KB

Sheshbazzar · 03-10-2013, 05:17 PM

Perhaps you need a little more time talk it over with your sky buddy until you finally make up your mind ?

Ken Brown · 03-10-2013, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheshbazzar

Perhaps you need a little more time talk it over with your sky buddy until you finally make up your mind ?

Hi Sheshbazzar, and maybe I'll take your advice. KB

aa5874 · 03-10-2013, 07:16 PM

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I am extremely delighted with your response because you have shown exactly how the Pauline writings may have developed.

You claim to know of the "One True Gospel".

The Pauline writer did the very same thing.

Romans 9:1 KJV

Galatians 1:9 KJV

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As we said before , so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received , let him be accursed.

I now understand how people introduce new teachings--just claim that they know of the "One True Gospel"

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Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Hi aa5874, are you religious at all? KB

I believe Jesus was the product of a Ghost.

And the Empty Tomb.

Ken Brown · 03-11-2013, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

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Originally Posted by aa5874

I am extremely delighted with your response because you have shown exactly how the Pauline writings may have developed.

You claim to know of the "One True Gospel".

The Pauline writer did the very same thing.

Romans 9:1 KJV

Galatians 1:9 KJV

I now understand how people introduce new teachings--just claim that they know of the "One True Gospel"

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Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Hi aa5874, are you religious at all? KB

I believe Jesus was the product of a Ghost.

And the Empty Tomb.

Hi aa5874, why don't you do a little free thought and reasoning with me? Prior to Yeshua's suffering, death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection, His disciples were like traditional christianity and most who post here...totally in the dark with respect to what Yeshua predicted. Here are a few of the verses that Yeshua openly stated to His disciples about His suffering, death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection. His disciples were in the dark, and didn't understand what Yeshua was saying to them, for these things were "hid" from them, just like it is hidden from most who read what He predicted:

(Mt 16:21) From that time forth began Yeshua to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

(Mk 8:31) And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and [of] the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Mk 9:31 - 9:32

(31) For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. (32) But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.

Mk 10:32 - 10:34

(32) And they were in the way going up to Jerusalem; and Yeshua went before them: and they were amazed; and as they followed, they were afraid. And he took again the twelve, and began to tell them what things should happen unto him, (33) [Saying], Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles: (34) And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Lk 9:44 - 9:45

(44) Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. (45) But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.

Lk 18:31 - 18:34

(31) Then he took [unto him] the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. (32) For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: (33) And they shall scourge [him], and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. (34) And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Lk 24:6 - 24:8

(6) He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, (7) Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. (8) And they remembered his words,

aa5874, why do you think rational thinking people could not fathom what Yeshua was predicting? KB

aa5874 · 03-11-2013, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Hi aa5874, why don't you do a little free thought and reasoning with me? Prior to Yeshua's suffering, death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection, His disciples were like traditional christianity and most who post here...totally in the dark with respect to what Yeshua predicted. Here are a few of the verses that Yeshua openly stated to His disciples about His suffering, death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection. His disciples were in the dark, and didn't understand what Yeshua was saying to them, for these things were "hid" from them, just like it is hidden from most who read what He predicted:

(Mt 16:21) From that time forth began Yeshua to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

(Mk 8:31) And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and [of] the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Mk 9:31 - 9:32

(31) For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. (32) But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.

Mk 10:32 - 10:34

(32) And they were in the way going up to Jerusalem; and Yeshua went before them: and they were amazed; and as they followed, they were afraid. And he took again the twelve, and began to tell them what things should happen unto him, (33) [Saying], Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles: (34) And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Lk 9:44 - 9:45

(44) Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. (45) But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.

Lk 18:31 - 18:34

(31) Then he took [unto him] the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. (32) For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: (33) And they shall scourge [him], and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. (34) And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Lk 24:6 - 24:8

(6) He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, (7) Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. (8) And they remembered his words,

aa5874, why do you think rational thinking people could not fathom what Yeshua was predicting? KB

The story of Jesus was fundamentally fabricated from the words of the Prophets and there is no indication or evidence that actual rational people heard Jesus or that Jesus of Nazareth did exist.

All we have are stories, myth fables, of a character the Son of God who was not supposed to be understood at all or who he was UNTIL the Fall of the Jewish Temple and the calamities of the Jews.

John 12

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37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:

38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled , which he spake , Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed ?

39 Therefore they could not believe , because that Esaias said again,

40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted , and I should heal them.

Now Examine Isaiah 6.

ISAIAH 6

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8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying , Whom shall I send , and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.

9 And he said , Go , and tell this people, Hear ye indeed , but understand not; and see ye indeed , but perceive not.

10 Make the heart of this people fat , and make their ears heavy , and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert , and be healed .

11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered , Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant , and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate ...

meshak · 03-11-2013, 09:37 PM

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[ return from his ways, and live? [/COLOR]

This is the whole point of Christianity.

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03-10-2013, 04:43 PM	#53
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	You are here. And you have already given us pretty good idea of your manner of textual interpretation. You can continue to spill your guts if you wish.

03-10-2013, 05:17 PM	#55
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	Perhaps you need a little more time talk it over with your sky buddy until you finally make up your mind ?

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