RED DAVE

From RED DAVE:
From lurker1:
We are not a race. Such a remark is antisemitic in and of itself. We are a nationality. And of course you'll deny it's an insult.

From lurker1:
Again, your use of the word "race," especially in quotes, is an insult.

From lurker1:
You posted it initially in an insulting and provocative way. And your context is also insulting: implying that some Jews are "true Hebrews" and some are not. By the way, we don't use the term "Hebrews." We consider it an insult.

From RED DAVE:
From lurker1:
No. A reasonable response to an antisemitic phrase. As to the "butchery" of the Israelis: it's irrelevent to your antisemitic remarks. If you want to start a thread on Israel, the Palestinians, the Jews, etc., do so.

From lurker1:
There is no such thing as "true Hebrews." This term is an antisemitic slur. It is you who are implying that one group of Jews is "lowly" compared to another.

You are a very sick puppy.

From RED DAVE:
From lurker1:
Yes, you did insult me. But that's par for the course. As to comparing the Jews living in Israel to the Germans who invaded France: rots of ruck.

By the way, I'm not a Zionist. I don't believe in a hegemonic Jewish state in the Middle East.

Good night.

RED DAVE

lurker1

Why do you think I put 'race' in quotation marks?! It's hard to define what constitutes as 'Jewishness', so I used the term 'race' loosely. I didn't mean the term literally. You're just desperate to take insult to everything I say.
Why is it insulting? Some Jews are descended from the Israelities of old, some are not. That's just a fact. Sorry for pointing it out.

Give, and ye shall receive...

Because we all know that labelling someone an 'anti-semite' is not an insult.

Khazarian Jews did not have a homeland in Israel, they had it in Khazaria. So I am totally justified in telling them to 'go home', just like I would be justified in telling a Nazi to 'go home' to Germany. But once again, I do not think we should shift the Khazarian Jews to what once constituted as Khazaria, but merely employ the 'one-state' solution. Naughty me for daring to suggest that the Jews and Arabs should attempt to live together on the same land, and have equal rights.

As I mentioned beforehand, the 'Go home, Jew...' title is a sarcastic jab at those Khazarian Jews who feel entitled to expropriate Arab land because it was once their 'ancestral homeland'.

laughing dog

Is Israel grabbing MORE Arab land? I thought they just gave some back. Silly me.

The statement - Hitler was the victim of a smear job - is both illogical and untrue.

If Zionists did "collaborate" Hitler at some stage, so what? It doesn't absolve Hitler of his actions.


So what? There are no Jews today with Antartican blood?

Again, no one claims that all current Jews are "Hebrew". So what?

So, instead of posting something coherent, we get more of your droolings. Come on bucko, either make a rational argument, or, to coin one of your phrases, "shut the fuck up".

RED DAVE

From lurker1:
"Go home, Jew..." is a provocative, antisemitic remark, which is why you don't apologize like a decent human being and move on.

If you really want to start a debate about settlement in Israel, by all means start one and can the antisemitic crap. There's plenty of bullshit on both sides there.

RED DAVE

lurker1

laughing dog:
And they will now establish a 'buffer' zone on Palestinian land. And where do you think the Israeli settlers will go now that they have been moved off the Gaza Strip? HMM, I wonder.

Actually, I'm afraid that it is true. Hitler done many terrible things, but the Allies did 'smear' him further. That's what you tend to do in wars... distribute propaganda. Saying that Hitler was 'mad' and 'insane' are not only gross simplifications, but bullshit. I fail to see how an insane man could conquer much of mainland Europe, part of Africa, and part of Russia. What Hitler did was what many sane people in the past have done... we just tend to forget. The Nazis were regarding by many directly after WWII as the ultimate example of evil, despite the butchery of the Chinese at the hands of the Japanese during WWII, or the atrocities of Stalin. Why was Hitler such an icon of hatred after WWII, yet Stalin wasn't (despite being equally brutal)? Perhaps because Stalin was part of the Allies, and Hitler was part of the Axis...

And where did I state that it did? I never attempted to 'defend' Hitler's actions, but to merely understand them. In the process, I pointed out that he had in fact collaborated with some Zionists. As soon as I did so, everyone starts squealing 'anti-semite'. How can you call me an anti-semite for pointing out historical facts?! Am I being racist against the French when I point out that the Vichy French collaborated with Hitler as well?

The only true 'racists' (*note* I'm using the term loosely. I guess I have to stress this, despite putting the term 'racists' in quotation marks, because some people need to have everything spoon-fed to them) here are those who like to squeak anti-semite. They seem to believe in Jewish superiority... that no Jew is above criticism. In their eyes, criticising someone who is Jewish amounts to criticising the entire Jewish 'race', which supposedly makes the critic an anti-semite.
Relevance? Posters also called me an anti-semite when I pointed out the existence of Khazarian Jews. Why they are allowed to call me an anti-semite, and I'm not allowed to (rightfully) call them retards, is beyond my comprehension. Only a retard could consistently fail to grasp the very simple points I am putting forward.

Excellent. So why are 'non-Hebrew' Jews justified to a homeland in Israel, if it isn't their homeland? Why is a native Russian who converts to Judiasm deserving of a homeland in Israel?

It's rather ironic that you should post this, since you frequently miss the clue train. You have not only failed to appreciate my sarcastic tone, you have also failed to grasp the meaning of my posts. If you really want me to be straightforward, so be it. But I fail to see why I should have to spoon-feed you conclusions.

RED DAVE:
Oh, 'Go home, Jew...' is definitely provocative, and I phrased it that way to lure members into reading the thread. However, once you read my post you would realize that I did not mean the remark in an anti-semitic manerer, and that it is not even directed at the true descendants of the ancient Israelites. Even better, I didn't mean the statement in a literal sense... I don't want the Khazarian Jews to migrate to Khazaria, I just used a confrontational way of pointing out that many Jews today actually have roots in Khazaria. Amazingly, it took quite a while for that simple fact to sink in, and I had to spoon-feed many members here the conclusion.

For example, preno said:
Talk about totally getting the point, but totally missing it at the same time!

Ahh, you guys are a riot. You need me to explain everything in detail. Sadly enough, you don't know my mindset for sure, so accusations of 'anti-semite' are just like accusations of 'troll'... unsupported ad hominems. It's strange that the moderators don't edit out accusations of 'anti-semite' like they enjoy to do with accusations of 'troll'...

RED DAVE

From RED DAVE:
From lurker1:
No, you phrased it so you could get off an antisemitic remark and pretend you didn't, as you are doing.

From lurker1:
No, the more I read your posts, the more i was convinced that your motives are antisemitic.

From lurker1:
To make a distinction between "true descendants of ancient Israelites" and other Jews in the manner that you did it, is antisemitic.

From lurker1:
Then why did you use those words? They were well chosen as antisemitic buzzwords. They correpond to the nazi slogan "Juden -- Raus." If you didn't mean to be antisemitic, then I expect a full and heart-felt apology and a commitment not to do it again.

From lurker1:
No, you used it to be provocatively antisemitic -- and you succeeded.

From lurker1:
Most of us, without antisemitic spoon feeding, have come to the conclusions that the entire thrust of this thread, from title, to OP, to now, is antisemitic.

RED DAVE

laughing dog

Why wonder, why not observe. Oh, because that would mean tethering yourself to reality.


Poor smeared Hitler. You certainly proved your point.

You did more than that and you know it. Of course, you cannot admit to it.


[QUOTE=lurker1]
Excellent. So why are 'non-Hebrew' Jews justified to a homeland in Israel, if it isn't their homeland? Why is a native Russian who converts to Judiasm deserving of a homeland in Israel? [QUOTE=lurker1]
Uh, for someone who claims to be so learned and intelligent, those questions have been answered by your own government. Read the Balfour declaration. Oh, you don't like the answers? Too bad, that's reality.

After all, I am only a dog, and cannot possible fathom the subtle irony and deep intellect that goes into your posts. In my experience, effective sarcasm requires intelligence and wit, both of which are sorely lacking your posts.
Thank you for not spoon feeding me your bullshit.

lurker1

RED DAVE:
An anti-semitic remark which wasn't even aimed at semitic Jews? Erm, right...

Bullshit. Some Jews have descended from the ancient Israelities, others haven't. How is pointing this out 'anti-semitic'? Why don't you actually explain why my remarks are anti-semitic, instead of crying 'anti-semite'?

Apologize due to the thin skins of some posters on here? I don't think I need to detail where you can stick your expectations of an apology.

Despite the fact that I wasn't even criticising the descendants of Israel. Ahhh, you just keep digging yourself a hole...

Then apparently 'most of us' needs to take a lesson in the comprehension of literature. Feel free to PM me, and I might bother to explain the definitions of long words in my posts.

Laughing dog:
Off the Gaza Strip... onto the West Bank.

Prove that I 'did more than that', or quit with the accusations. You aren't doing yourself any favours by engaging in conjecture.

Why thank you for admitting that I proved my point. You merely further add to my credibility, and further detract from yours.

The continuous yapping in your posts led me to suspect as much.

Thanks for the humble admission. Admitting your inadequacy is the first step on the road of learning.

So you admit that you are responding to posts with lack 'intelligence and wit'? My my, that statement further detracts from your already plummeting credibility, my little friend.

If it is bullshit, it is the highest quality bullshit you will ever taste.

Space Chef

Ever notice that anti-semities use the phrase 'Jew' to describe anything Jewish?

I'm still on T.V., and I still say 'fart'.

Go home, Tommy!

laughing dog

Practice what you preach.

Your sarcasm meter isn't working.

And you've been talking to a bloody dog, chappy.

:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

Once again, I've been "bested" by someone who still maintains Hitler was the victim of a smear job.