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Old 01-13-2004, 05:58 PM   #71
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I don't know if anyone has gone over this before, but I'll give my OP reply.

First of all, Jesus was not, and never was, immortal. Even his point of acceptance as the 'Son of God" is a point of contention in the gospels. Even if he was made the 'Son of God' or the 'Messiah', neither of these mean he was immortal (of the flesh). Those were later concepts developed by the expanding church. The "Immortal" clause, for the churches (major and otherwise) has always and only been applicable to the "soul" and the spirit. The body, to them all, has always been the cage, the "bad stuff", the stuff that always eventually decays, the stuff imbued with the Sin of Adam.

But to ask, for you, the "value" of it, is to go back to the whole Church concept of the being of Jesus and therefore his conception.

Until modern science, the old and accepted view of conception is the idea that the woman is simply a receptable and gestation machine, and all of the required components for forming a human being reside in the male sperm. The female contributes nothing. Therefore, Mary was simply a receptible for the 'Holy Sperm/Spirity' which automagically (I love that word) grew a human being which special powers and an important daddy, but still, a human being, like Adam. Jesus therefore, was still partly tied to the flesh, and therefore to the Sin of humanity, like Adam. So eventually, in sacrificing his 'divine' flesh which was both human but beyond human (hyper-human, tran-human, whatever you want to call it, he was as close to god as Adam was, and therefore he was like the Neo-Adam born straight from YHWH and not through the work of another male body) that is was like the balancing act to balance out the equation of Adam's first sin. In Jesus' body sacrifice, the hyper-Sin of the Flesh of Adam was destroyed, and that's where you get the claus 'For our Sin and for our Salvation' in the Creed. But yeah. You have to always read these things in the symbolic matrix of the old Judaic beliefs, because, basically, that's what they're all about.
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