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Old 10-07-2011, 11:20 AM   #601
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http://www.freeratio.org/showthread....305902&page=18

Before the topic of spin possibly descends into total misunderstanding, I do acknowledge and respect spin's depth of knowledge.
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http://www.freeratio.org/showthread....305902&page=18

Before the topic of spin possibly descends into total misunderstanding, I do acknowledge and respect spin's depth of knowledge.
I updated my initial post to include what I thought you were referring to (same thread, later post).

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My point - find something new to say on this topic. People have made your argument before, others have not found it convincing. People have made much more sophisticated arguments than yours, and others are still not convinced.

Your argument comes down to your personal inability to imagine why Mark or Matthew would have invented a particular detail in a narrative that is full of improbabilities and impossibilities and obvious fiction. This is hardly the slam dunk proof of a historical figure that you imagine.
If in doubt about the question, attempt to undermine the asker, and throw in a strawman about slam dunk proof. Where have I seen that before?

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I have no doubt about the question, I am attempting to provide more detailed information to the asker that he appears not to know about.

MC appears to think that he has a slam dunk proof.

I don't know where you think you've seen that before. Is it a sense of deju vu?
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MC appears to think that he has a slam dunk proof.
I don't know where you get that from. Maybe, for just one example, from the same place you got the idea earlier today that I implied the TF had to be a proven interpolation before it could even be discussed?

Mcalvera may be pro HJ, but he has not indicated that he slam dunks anything on that one point.

So whether he's right or whether he's wrong, he's surely entitled to make his point without you misrepresenting it in that particular way. And as for the dozens if not hundreds of times others might make a similar point and you don't see the need to come up with a siimilar misrepresentation.....

Toto, you can take it from me or you can not take it, and I say it with all due respect, but you come across as very HJ-unfriendly indeed for someone who at times maintains an agnostic stance.

I think you should stop and ask yourself why you hear things others are not saying. Or (because it happen to any of us) why you don't accept that it's not necessarily the case when it is clarified.


Mcalvera may now clarify for himself whether he thinks his Naz point is slam dunk proof.
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I interpret this post as indicating that MC thinks he has something close to a slam dunk.

If not, he can clarify. But perhaps he's too busy reading the previous thread on this point.

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Still waiting for the mythicist explanation for Jesus being from Nazareth.

So if not Mark who made it up, why did Matthew and Luke do so ... and why do so when they went out of their way to associate the Messiah with Bethlehem anyway?

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There is a search function for this forum. Look for Nazareth in thread titles, and you will find:

http://www.freeratio.org/showthread....light=nazareth

Read through that monstronsity, and pay attention to the posts from spin, who will tell you that he is not a mythicist.

Then get back to us.

Take care.
Spin would love to be a mythicist, but he knows it can't be supported.

Spins Nazareth ideas are bogus. For years Spin preached to all and sundry here about his "brilliant" ideas about Nazareth. Anyone who didn't agree just didn't understand how brilliant Spin had been or was the victim of some "hegemony"
Of course the weaker minds here fell slavishly at his feel, always ready to suck up to him.
But Spin himself admitted here that his Nazareth ideas just weren't good enough.
Finally after the usual abuse of those who disagreed Spin announced he would put out a peer reviewed paper re: Nazareth. Of course he abandoned the idea. Despite his rhetoric he didn't really believe it.
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Spin's posts, like mine, are highly nuanced. For those who may be unfamiliar with his unstated premises, it may seem to not make sense.
Sucking up to Spin and telling how clever you are all in one sentence?

I think Archibald already did a pretty good job of showing how Spins ideas about the passage were nothing but ridiculous gymnastics in a desperate attempt to hold his position together.
There is no need to condescendingly insinuate Archibald didnt grasp it (and refute it) first tiume around.
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Spin's posts, like mine, are highly nuanced. For those who may be unfamiliar with his unstated premises, it may seem to not make sense.
Sucking up to Spin and telling how clever you are all in one sentence?

I think Archibald already did a pretty good job of showing how Spins ideas about the passage were nothing but ridiculous gymnastics in a desperate attempt to hold his position together.
There is no need to condescendingly insinuate Archibald didnt grasp it (and refute it) first tiume around.
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A highly nuanced sentence it should be noted.

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Sucking up to Spin and telling how clever you are all in one sentence?

I think Archibald already did a pretty good job of showing how Spins ideas about the passage were nothing but ridiculous gymnastics in a desperate attempt to hold his position together.
There is no need to condescendingly insinuate Archibald didnt grasp it (and refute it) first tiume around.
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Sucking up to Spin and telling how clever you are all in one sentence?


A highly nuanced sentence it should be noted.

British Christians have less imagination, more clarity and better human qualities than the tortuous prima donnas that post here
I think the poor old americans have to deal with so many wacky religious fundies that it makes them a bit wacky too.
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Hey, hey, you guys. Don't forget that spin is antipodian colonial.
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