Shafeesthoughts

Well that's pretty easy to solve.
Judaic religious thought held that Crucifixion as a punishment for crime was reserved for the most heinous of them.

To get over the insurmountable contradiction created by that supposed event would require well .... A Miracle.
Then what better?

TedM

Wow you say that with such conviction. So was he crucified, and on what grounds? And why would anybody believe that a nobody that nobody cared about had been resurrected? I don't buy the 'people are irrational' theory. People do things for reasons that they believe are rational. So what 'rational' reason would anyone have to believe he had been resurrected?

TedM

But what was different with this guy from all the others who were crucified? His teachings?

outhouse

sedition and tax evasion

but more importantly, starting a stink in the temple.


because everyone in the temple all 400,000 hated the romans and the corrupt jewish governement in which jesus was making a stance against.

that made him their savior, and they competed jesus theology with roman mortal men also called the "son of god"


remember it took a decade before anyone wrote about him, that we know about.


because it was common mythology for the times within theology.

Joseph A, could have thrown his bofy in a pit and claimed Ya I placed his body there 3 days ago, or the body was stolen. reality dictates the built the mythology around the real man.


we have a faint, very faint historical core, and mythology and theology were created/added for the most part decades after his death by people who never knew him, never witnessed him, never heard him, didnt even live in the same geographic location and for the most oart didnt even belong to the same religion. only followed judaism but were not jews.

GenesisNemesis

None. Because it's an irrational belief. There is no reason to believe that resurrection of a human being is possible and what we know of neuroscience practically demolishes the entire notion of a soul to begin with. If you do not think humans are fundamentally irrational, then why have so many atrocities been committed by human beings throughout history, whether it's out of greed or sheer pleasure, and why do so many human beings give into pressure to conform, so that they themselves may end up committing atrocious acts themselves? Why do most human beings not question authority? Surely, you believe that human beings are sinful. Why stop there? Moreover, the religion of Christianity itself does not remotely promote the use of reason in order to achieve understanding of the religion- instead, it promotes obedience. This further strengthens the point. I can point you to a number of verses.

TedM

I think you missed the quotations nuance.

It is not irrational to do things we think give us pleasure. It may be immature. It may be for self-preservation and therefore 'amoral', but it isn't irrational.

Without God sin is a human creation and has no meaning other than what we give it.


You are now talking about the institution. That doesn't have to corrolate at all to the original reactions to new information when the belief in resurrection first began. It may well be that Jesus said 'I will be resurrected' and his followers simply believed it. I doubt it though. Acts and the gospels are permeated with skepticism and people questioning (Thomas, poring over scriptures in Acts, Paul using scripture to support his views, etc..).

GenesisNemesis

And in that case, human beings are amoral. Correct?

outhouse

we have no clue if jesus would have even thought that

I doubt it


he didnt view himself as a deity i can tell you that.

TedM

This I can accept.


This I cannot accept. They would have forgotten about him if he was a nobody.



I'm not aware of any such common mythology. The mythicsm parallels has pretty much been shown to be extreme exaggeration.

Why do you reject the gospel and Act accounts that discuss people in Jesus' life, including his family? Couldn't people like Peter and other disciples have been real? Several brother pairs in the group--if it was all made up, why have brothers paired up?

GenesisNemesis

I think we're operating on different conceptions of rationality.