Leah

this should help
Forward you ex-JW's



Also:
- They claim to be non-racists: Ask them of the races and nationalities of their Governing Body and who choses such (it is ment to be the holy spirit)

- "It is not by people to judge but only by god": Ask them of the concept of a commitee

- Justice: Ask them why when you adulter and then repent, you are free to re-marry a third person,
but when you want to marry the person you adultered with, you are seen as a non-repentant sinner.

- Drug use is forbidden for them: Ask them why they drink coffee or use medical drugs

- Blood is holy, no blood trasfusion: Why do they eat un-kosher food, why do women use lipsick (many contain colouring from a certain beelte, and so consequently its blood).

- Harmageddon: Let them explain you why the end of the world did not come in Autum 74 (officially 75), and then the inofficial '84 did also not take place. It was said that some of the 144000 humans who are to reign in heaven with Jesus were to see the end of this system. Since the number of 144000 was ment to have been chosen amongst all humans by 1914 (with replacements done by 1945), in either case this human elite should be rather old now.

-- "This good news of the kingdom will be tought all over the world and then the end will come":
If it is their mission to preach all over the world, why don't they go to those countries where there is need of witnesses rather then sitting in your living room (only a minority becomes missionaries, a few more pioneers).

Tharmas

Thanks for the info.

These days I know enough to wonder what their source was, or sources were, for the Greek, to begin with.

So I�ve gone and hunted up my volume of the shelf and looked it up. The Greek is from the Westcott & Hort text of 1881. The word-for-word rendering includes brackets, parentheses and other apparatus to denote where they have supplied �implied� meanings or changed meanings.

The �translation� on the other hand is indeed the New World Translation, just dropped right in, so what do you know? I have no doubt you are correct in terms of its quality, or lack thereof. Fortunately I was only interested in the Greek.

Back then, the idea of getting a Greek interlinear New Testament for two bits made it worth putting up with the JWs for a few Saturday mornings. These days of course it�s all online.

Anyway, it�s been interesting to learn some of the history behind it. Thanks again.

Leah

The New world translation of the bible is pretty accurate, actually.
The only big differences are the name of god and 1.John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was a god", which is used to prove that there is no trinity but that Jesus ('the word') had a beginning and was at such beginning to gods side, who was already existant at the time.

The watchtower society also works with a rather thick version of the New Testament of the New world translation that has the original greek of each verse to the one side and the translation on the other side. Must have been published some time around the '70s. So depending on whom you discuss with it might be a challenge for you.

But two more questions to JW, would be:

- How it could be justifiable for JW's to wear fur coats, and how women could use make-up when im most of such there is animal testing involved.

Edit: ok, Tharmas, only just read your first post originally, you said it already there. Sorry.

Godless Wonder

Well, they didn't come by, maybe I scared 'em off last time, or maybe they just had better things to do than argue with my cynical ass.

dantonac

Godless Wonder,

You said they had been by 3-4 times already. I suspect you will never see them again. I think they report in after thier missionary efforts and a third, superior party tells them when to cut you lose. 3-4 times is the norm as best as I can tell.

If you still want to get your points in just make up a paper as concise as you can and put it outside the local Kingdom Hall right before they meet.

Leah

No, they take notes of "further interest" or "no further interest".

The "further interest" category is being visited ideally once a week and it is being suggested to go through a particular book of the WT-Society, (such is called bible study), then after a while the first invite to the Kingdom Hall, .....

Becoming a JW is actually a long process, and not an easy recruitment issue.

Dark Jedi

Being a former JW, I have an easy out:

After playing with them a few times, I get the inevitible invite to the Kingdom Hall.

Me: "Wow, I didn't know you guys would take me back!"

Them: "What?"

Me: "When you guys threw me out years ago, I was told I was never allowed back. Now I'm being invited back."

Them: "Thrown out? We cannot talk to you." -Exit, stage left....

Amlodhi

Hello dantonac,

I thought it was customary to nail such papers to the door.

I have also heard, from a former JW, that being especially argumentative buys you one more visit. Not necessarily with any real hope of converting you, but because they get special points for re-visiting recalcitrant contacts. But, again, only once.

Namaste'

Amlodhi