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Ben C Smith · 12-09-2008, 02:00 PM

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I think I recall reading somewhere that Queen Victoria passed a law against male homosexuality but, refusing to believe that female homosexuality even existed, did not pass an explicit law against it. (This is from my vague memory of a forgotten source, which may or may not have been accurate to begin with; correction welcome.)

The Sexual Offenses Act was introduced in the late 19th century primarily to deal with brothels and the sexual exploitation of young people.
However, during its passage through Parliament an amendment was added criminalising sexual acts between males. The absence of any reference to sexual acts between females was felt by many to be inconsistent and the story arose that government ministers refused to accept a reference to women in this section of the act in order to avoid having to explain in detail to Victoria exactly what was being prohibited.

Thanks, Andrew, for the clarification.

Ben.

Zaphod · 12-09-2008, 03:10 PM

Is there an ecclesiastic entity known as matrimony? As in Holy Vows of.

If so, does anyone know its history?

diana · 12-10-2008, 06:19 PM

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Alex, several European nations have already "redefined" marriage* to include same sex partnership, I believe.

The establishment in each case have arranged to do this. But they don't dare put it to a vote, or have it discussed in public, which rather gives the game away.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Good day, Roger Pearse.

I don't see why it matters that those in charge have altered our understanding of a term instead of throwing the question to the largely uneducated, emotionally-driven masses.

Did you have a smart comeback to the observation that marriage has been "redefined" regarding its applicability to ethnicity and race? The "establishment" did that, I think; do you consider that bad, too?

Consistency is your friend.

d

Roland · 12-10-2008, 08:17 PM

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Victoria in the movies at least had a bunch of ladies in waiting, I'm sure the thought of physical contact between them had not escaped her.

How dare you claim our Monarch had lesbian tendencies? She had 8,374,782 kids, and was very much proper; she never farted, and never needed to go to the toilet, let alone thought of messing with the opposite sex. Peasant.

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premjan · 12-11-2008, 08:59 AM

Oh sorry I meant Elizabeth. I never saw Victoria in a movie.

The Dagda · 12-11-2008, 10:31 AM

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Oh sorry I meant Elizabeth. I never saw Victoria in a movie.

Are you saying our reigning monarch has lesbian thoughts! How dare you!

premjan · 12-11-2008, 12:18 PM

I'm deepening the hole for myself - I was talking about the Virgin Queen. Maybe there was a reason for her being a virgin as in she swung the other way. Or more likely it was just a facade as you are hinting at.

The Dagda · 12-11-2008, 01:20 PM

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I'm deepening the hole for myself - I was talking about the Virgin Queen. Maybe there was a reason for her being a virgin as in she swung the other way. Or more likely it was just a facade as you are hinting at.

Elizabeth I was a virgin to her people and a whore in private, it was all an act to an adoring public, another one of here propaganda exercises, of which she was a master. She slept with any suitor she took a fancy to, and there were more than one or two. She wanted to marry one of them. But I'm just pulling your leg anyway. She wasn't a lesbian though, as far as history can tell, her father Henry VIII however would sleep with practically anything in trousers or a dress, he wasn't allegedly that fussy.

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Zaphod Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 320	Is there an ecclesiastic entity known as matrimony? As in Holy Vows of. If so, does anyone know its history?

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premjan Obsessed Contributor Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 61,538	I'm deepening the hole for myself - I was talking about the Virgin Queen. Maybe there was a reason for her being a virgin as in she swung the other way. Or more likely it was just a facade as you are hinting at.

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