Sultanist

One of them posted this to the Internet message forum of the Redneck Riviera daily newspaper.
http://forums.pnj.com/viewtopic.php?t=16705

Celine

I started a thread some months ago, "What is the nature of a Bush supporter."

I won't take the time to call it back up, but there were lots of insightful contributions. Or then, of course, you just can read or listen to what the Busheviks say, themselves. And shake your head for the upteenth time.

EthnAlln

Well, this one was at least thoughtful.

But his reasoning is wrong, nevertheless. In Germany and Italy, we could depend on a common European heritage and the support of other nations, notably France and Britain. (I do think, however, that it is time for the US to get out of Western Europe. But Eastern Europe still lies under the threat of Russian agression.) In South Korea, there was and is the threat of northern agression, and there was no strong anti-Americanism entrenched for centuries.

What is really cruel to the armed servicemen and women is to ask them to do a job that cannot be done militarily: to impose democracy on people with no history of it in the face of a determined, ruthless pack of fanatics. Bush is guilty of that.

Starshark

More fodder for poor hapless history grad students to trawl through when they do their thesis, "American Denial and the Second Gulf War."

EsoCyn

He made a couple of grave errors; a.) he assumes that Iraq was harboring terrorists who are intent on attacking America - well, this is wrong and was shown to be wrong a long time ago, and b.) that we were doing this for humanitarian efforts. It only takes a rudimentary knowledge of America's propping up of past murderous dictators to know that this is just false. America rarely, if ever, expands it's armed forces for "humanitarian" efforts - it's almost always done for the interest of America, and America only.

joedad

The difference between what a person says and what a person does is what a person does.

Therefore, if we were all deaf dumb blind mutes Bush would still be a selfish pious silver-spoon ignorant ideological cowardly hypocritical imperialistic asshole of a fraud.

But he’s still the commander guy and the decider for now.

enoch007

In addition to totally agreeing with the above I would like to emphasize that the United States (as well as every other nation on this planet) NEVER
EVER, NOT EVEN A LITTLE,EVER deploys it's armed forces for humanitarian reasons, humanity is really nice and gets really good press and is not worth the life on one soldier or worth one gallon of gasoline, to anyone, ever. Please, Americans of sound mind and judgment, begin to recognize this common systamatic propaganda that is used to sucker the herd into supporting foreign military interventions (and does every time), that American forces are going somewhere to libertate someone for "democracy" and fight Hitler (yet again and again) and it's just gonna be like Paris '44 all over again.
After Vietnam, Korea (which attained democracy years and years after the conflict), Granada, Beruit, Gulf War one, Mogadishu '92, Gulf War TWO etc etc. Look, I know there are legitimate security concerns that do justify the employment of armed forces, and plenty of fair and sound reasons that justified some of the list of interventions above, fine, let's hear and debate those or at least trust that they are secret for some reason and give the benefit of doubt to the State, but can we resist the urge to be a buch of suckers who think we are going to turn the world into Ohio?

Celine

Here is the most direct clue, to the mindless jibber-jabby this amounts to:

Could've been taken right out of Orwell's Ministry of Information

Sultanist

I just replied to that thread. Mine is the third post down (the one from Bob Wood).

http://forums.pnj.com/viewtopic.php?t=16705

Celine

I don't see your post, Sultanist.
I don't think I could spend much time in that company, without my blood pressure rising.

But: What does "pnj" stand for in the forum -- Perpetual Nincompoops Jabberwocky?