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Examine the ideas of Cerinthus and the Ebionites around the 2nd century. See http://www.columbia.edu Against Heresies by a writer using the name Irenaeus. Quote:
What you have done is to invent a story using questionable sources filled with implausible events and known fiction. The author of gMatthew may have done exactly what you did, use his imagination as a corroborative historical source, and then perhaps the author of gLuke followed with the same methodology, imagination as history, and then the author of John may have just rejected certain parts of the Synoptics that he imagined were erroneous and proceeded to re-write the Gospels. After reading your re-invention, there is good news. The Jesus story was just a belief or intended to be believed and based on non-historical accounts. We have proof. Just read ABE Gospels. The only thing missing is the claim that he got his gospel from God on golden plates. |
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You have listed 36 referenced best guesses about the origins of Christianity. While it’s a fun read, my inner statistician got thinking…. Personally, I’m somewhat sceptical of the provenance and reliability of early Christian texts and histories. However your best guesses appear reasonable and mainstream. So for the sake of argument, I will be generous and assume that there 50% chance of each referenced best guess being correct. If so, then there would be a little over one chance in 100 billion that the whole gospel was true. OK – fair enough you might think – but I don’t need all of my guesses to be correct to have a 'reasonably accurate narrative'….. If we take (for the sake of argument) a benchmark that three quarters, or 27 of your guesses need to be correct for the narrative to be considered reasonably accurate. The chance of this, if each guess has a 50% chance of being correct is about one in five hundred. So basically, I think there is less than a one in five hundred chance that it is even a 'reasonably accurate narrative'. Sorry. |
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FWIW eccles technically I do not think Constantine hijacked the "church". What Constantine hijacked was the Hebrew Bible. It did not belong to him. |
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...thus fulfilling the prophecy, "They will midrash the midrash".
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I'm willing to go as far as accepting the possible existence of people like Peter or James, but the rest of the gospel cast seem to be props to hang OT prophecy on. |
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