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Predestined? Come on... keep your nonsense Calvinism to yourself. Real Christians don't believe that. There can be no sin if there is predestination. Quote:
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As Jesus hotly debated the Pharisee and Sadducee priests, the story indicates that he was a priest himself and with authority higher than the Pharisees and Sadducees. NT apostles call Jesus the High Priest even above the angels. How did they come to this conclusion? Were they maybe grasping for anyone with knowledge of their past history and Jesus fit the bill? Was their situation so unbearable that they saw Jesus as a savior? Whatever. They invested authority in their Lord as Christ(Messiah), and left the Pharisees and Sadducees to themselves. Jesus was their new Lord and Master teacher and they followed him. And they believed their High Priest Jesus had authority to forgive sins. If their social community at Jerusalem was in such unbearable a condition and they literally feared the Pharisees might have them executed for almost any offense, and Jesus offered a way out of the death penalty, then his appearance as a savior would have been eagerly welcomed. There is on one occassion though, that Jesus referred a few people to the sitting priest at Jerusalem and told them to offer doves and pigeons for their offense[sin]. This situation may indicate that Jesus words of "my day is not yet come" had its relivance to that power not fully vested in him as yet. It was still to come, and they would have to fight for it. |
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Next, show a passage where Peter, or any so-called disciples told any-one that they had the power to forgive sin. These are the words of Peter as found in Acts 2.21 Quote:
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Calvin and all other theologians impose themselves into the story, and distance themselves from the required elements of sonship[children of the Hebrew God]. Today Christians refuse to admit to the required protocol "as it is written". Jews rejected the uncircumcised and lawless Gentiles as it was their commands of law that required them to do so. Predistination according to Calvin is a false ideology. Predistination as perscribed to heirs is biblical inheritance record and belongs to only one group of people of whom the story is all about - the Jews, "Israel". Esau failed to honor his father and his mother and intermarried with peoples of the land. Esau is identified as Edomites, who were NOT "a people" of the Hebrew God. Esau married outside his boundary with many wives not of Isaac's kinsmen. That left one son Jacob as rightful heir who obeyed his parents and married within their customary people thus not breaking the "kindred" affiliation, so to speak. Thus, Jacob became the "one" seed of Isaac to which "the promise" flowed as inheritance. And there it remained. Jacob's name was changed to Israel, "for he had power with God". The commandment was for Israel - "thou shalt not take the name of thy Lord God in vain, for whosoever takes His name in vain will not be held guiltless". What does this mean? Israelites and converts were commanded to be loyal to their own nation of people. Stepping outside that loyalty in either unauthorized alliance with other people or another offense[sin] constituted disloyalty. The death penalty was the remedy for "unruly children of Israel". If they didn't want the Lord to rule over them, they had taken his name in vain as Israelites, his namesake. They were in essence judged as traitors. I need not obey those commandments as they have no application to me, a non Israeli/Jew. You can claim yourself "sinner" if you want, as you've probably been erroneously taught and accepted that offensiveness on yourself. I prefer to be free from it. But why don't you look again at the story and remove yourself from it? And examine the bible as to why it would benefit you. |
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