burning flames

why should we be held responsible for our own faults?


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yeah, why should we?

who benefits from eternally punishing us.

does god get benefit out of it?

do we?

whats the point of that.

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Satan benefits from us being eternaly punished. He hates God, but he can't do anything to God.

But he can hurt us. And he knows that God loves us, so his way of hurthing God is through us. So he tries as hard as he can to bring as many people down as possible.

God does not benefit, infact it greatly hurts him every time even one of his image bearrers is lost. But because of his just nature he has to judge sin, and the penalty of sin is death (physical and spiritual), just as he said in the Genesis Chap. 3

We obvously don't benefit from it but it is our just reward, and it's what we deserve.

The point is that God loves us enough that he respects human free will and choice that if we choose not to be with him he will honor that choice, and that God is the just judge of the world.

schu

This is no point at all! You are making a religious assertion, in other words preaching at us.

Tell me how in hell we can have free will, a choice, when an all knowing all powerful being already knows what we are going to do before we do it?

If you can't explain that in prosaic terms so I can understand you are just making brain dead assertions.

Dank

(emphasis mine).

When questioned about why God metes out eternal punishment for finite sins, eventually Christians will talk about what God "must" or "has to" do.

Putting such limitations on God is non-Biblical, he could have created any system he wanted:

Matthew 19:26 (New International Version)

26Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

God doesn't have to do anything, he chooses to be a brute

J. T.

I never understand Burning Flames. Is he saying that this stuff makes sense or that it doesn't?

David B

GFOD!!!!!!!

Just absorb that, and it will help.

David B

Baalazel

Well if you’re going to preach at us from scripture you might at least try to get things right. Genesis chapter 3 doesn’t say death comes because of sin. Humans were meant to die all along.

Gen.3:19 does say that Adam will return to the dust from which he was made but in verse 22 God says quite plainly that he cast Adam out of the garden to prevent him from taking of the tree of life and becoming immortal. The inference must be that Adam was created mortal. As to spiritual death I find nothing in Gen.3 to back up your assertion.

If God demands damnation as a requirement of his sense of justice he does benefit from its satisfaction.

As to the nature of God you might add the book of Joshua to your all too necessary Biblical studies.


Baal

JEST2ASK

Jest2Ask one who recognizes :notworthy: the insightful comedic touch of David B (and others) is far beyond me ( I had to think and re-read :blush: )

windsofchange

Off to ~E~.

MrFrosty

We ain't interested in your brand of crazy. We're fully stocked up here fs. :notworthy:

GenesisNemesis

That's like saying "hitler doesn't have to do anything, he chooses to be a brute."