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Chris Weimer · 03-11-2005, 08:38 PM

Poor deluded Christians come in here and think they can convert us with their firm beliefs.

lvdyou · 03-11-2005, 08:39 PM

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So, although you've decided it's up to me to prove your YWHW/Yeshua doesn't exist, you have claimed you can prove he was real. Do you withold the proof because you don't like me? I'm pretty nice in real life, BTW.

Perhaps in another thread, you can prove the IPU doesn't exist and then I'll take a stab at proving the non-existance of your god, deal?

There are many proofs in The Case for Faith, The Case for Christ and The Case for a Creator by Lee Strobel. People try to overturn what he says, but I see their mistakes in reasoning when they do that showing they are preferring mistaken assumptions to keep hostile from God.

This is the most powerful proof of all in complete perfection,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/perfectproof.htm

Nothing is withheld except your due diligence if you have hurdles accepting Christ.

Dozens of writers are in agreement about God who by the Holy Spirit wrote the OT and the NT. Pink unicorns did not create you except in your dreams.

Javaman · 03-11-2005, 08:42 PM

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It is already verified. Saying you don't know is hostility when it is so obvious.

I'm not hostile, I'm very calm and comfy.

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Satan says worship fantasy things because the flesh imagines like christian agnostic, funny.

I'm going to assume you're not a native speaker of English as that string of words didn't cause much to happen in my brain.

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Born again should not be legalized: it means new birth, given eternal life, allowing God's Holy Spirit to come into the man's spirit. It means receiving God's life and a promise of resurrection at Judgment Seat. Born again, therefore, is not a mistranslation. It is unfortunate your spirit is dead and hellbound.

Are you threatening me?

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There is no such thing as Christian agnostic.

Is so.

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That is an aximoron {sic}, with the emphasis on moron. Such is not real life, nor authentic life, but a life of delusion and not being born again, for that is not the fruit of the Spirit to present false teachings. Simply declaring such fantasy theories in no way makes them real. I am sorry to hear you think some here believe that.

Listen to yourself. These people I describe are Christians. They simply acknowledge the fact that it can not be known (in their minds) that a non-corporeal, whimsical, deity can be known in this life.

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Believing in Christ is because it is a knowing of this stance, that is why it is believed and substantiatable. Those that say they can not know now, not having a foretaste of heaven even now in resurrection life, only prove they may call upon a christ, but it is not the word of Christ they believe after all.

You might want to hone up on your writing skills. Your message is hard to get.

lvdyou · 03-11-2005, 08:49 PM

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I'm getting tired of typing this... they are not considered first-hand accounts - because they are not.
Argument from Incredulity.
Perhaps you should bring Ch. & Verse to the BC&H forum if you want to defend that. Paul's perversion of the Yeshuan message is a very interesting topic.
Remember, these are all claims. Other claims exist for other religions. Yours is not special. Your 'evidence' so far is the same that Muslims use to justify their beliefs.
When you admit to your mistakes, I'll think about admitting to mine

In the meantime, you still have a burden and, if you don't start with the evidence soon, I'm going to assume you want me to go to hell and that makes me sad. :crying:

AS IF is the terminology used because they were. Your disbelief is your flesh astir, for the document is preserved and documented and held under protection. Read the Case for Faith by Lee Strobel to see that it is the case. You should listen to what he has to say; in the guiness book of records is also another lawyer who holds the record for winning the most cases in a row. He said the resurection account is the best case argument he has ever seen in his life.

Paul was flawless in the epistles and his integrety is beautiful. See 1 Cor. 15 where Paul says he met Jesus in Person.

The difference between Muslims and Christianity is that the former was written by a pedophile pirate killer in a cave while Christianity is founded on 4000 years of facts, and Jesus died for those facts of spiritual reality. Mohammed called Jesus a liar, though Jesus did no wrong. And Jesus said He was God, proving it. This is extremely special affording us eternal life.

My burden is for you, but after hearing this evidence, if you choose to reject it, it is because you want to go to hell. Jesus said that even if He returned right this second to stand before you, you would still not believe Him. How truly this is. What a guy! What a God!

lvdyou · 03-11-2005, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Weimer

Poor deluded Christians come in here and think they can convert us with their firm beliefs.

Actually, that is not correct. We come here knowing full well we can not convert you to Christ because we realize that is a choice you have to make, we can't make it for you.

Though, like a person crossing a road about to be hit by a truck it is incumbent upon us to do all we can to help you from killing yourself, or in other words, spending at eternity in hell cognizant of your eternal separation from God forever.

Javaman · 03-11-2005, 08:52 PM

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There are many proofs in The Case for Faith, The Case for Christ and The Case for a Creator by Lee Strobel. People try to overturn what he says, but I see their mistakes in reasoning when they do that showing they are preferring mistaken assumptions to keep hostile from God.

Lee effin' Strobel! Puh-leeze. Preachin' to the chior won't do much for the heathens, I'm afraid.

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This is the most powerful proof of all in complete perfection,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/perfectproof.htm

That document makes statements about the supernatural to include fallen angels and demons. Let's start with a demonstration of the existance of anything supernatural. Then we can proceed to your flavor.

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Nothing is withheld except your due diligence if you have hurdles accepting Christ.

Except by you. Again, why do you want me to allow your god to torture me forever? Shouldn't your god know why I don't believe? If so, you think he'll cause me to be in eternal pain for using the brain he gave me? Man he's mean! You want to hang out with him?

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Dozens of writers are in agreement about God who by the Holy Spirit wrote the OT and the NT. Pink unicorns did not create you except in your dreams.

Nuh uh. The Holy Spirit need to work on her editing, BTW.

lvdyou · 03-11-2005, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Javaman

I'm not hostile, I'm very calm and comfy.
I'm going to assume you're not a native speaker of English as that string of words didn't cause much to happen in my brain.
Are you threatening me?

Is so.
Listen to yourself. These people I describe are Christians. They simply acknowledge the fact that it can not be known (in their minds) that a non-corporeal, whimsical, deity can be known in this life.
You might want to hone up on your writing skills. Your message is hard to get.

You are hostile, you call Jesus a liar. The reason nothing much is happening in your brain is because your bad reading skills are the result of a blank mind; which is caused by your dead spirit. Satan captures dull people.

Why would you think I was threatening? Your reading skills are horrendous.

Christians are not agnostic. You would not realize this because you yourself are not a Christian so you have no idea; without the Holy Spirit to know this. I was the same as you before I was saved. You might be able to see why you need to believe this which is due to your being pompous.

My recommendation to you is to improve your reading skills, then you might be able to read better to understand what I wrote to you. What is most interesting is 1 Cor. 2.13 the reason why you are blocked mentally:

http://christianity.3.forumer.com/in...act=boardrules

Javaman · 03-11-2005, 09:04 PM

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AS IF is the terminology used because they were. Your disbelief is your flesh astir, for the document is preserved and documented and held under protection. Read the Case for Faith by Lee Strobel to see that it is the case. You should listen to what he has to say;

No, you came here - you need to make the case!

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in the guiness book of records is also another lawyer who holds the record for winning the most cases in a row. He said the resurection account is the best case argument he has ever seen in his life.

Doesn't mean it's true, though. I'm pretty sure this lawyer of yours is a Christian, huh?

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Paul was flawless in the epistles and his integrety is beautiful. See 1 Cor. 15 where Paul says he met Jesus in Person.

So he does! To bad he makes such a critical counting error in 1 Cor. 15:5 otherwise he might be more trustworthy.

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The difference between Muslims and Christianity is that the former was written by a pedophile pirate killer in a cave while Christianity is founded on 4000 years of facts,

Doesn't mean its not true, though. Plus, one of those older 'facts' includes one about the seed of Jeconiah which precludes Yeshua from being The Messiah. You can't even weasel out of it by claiming Joseph wasn't his real father since you need him to be.

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and Jesus died for those facts of spiritual reality. Mohammed called Jesus a liar, though Jesus did no wrong.

No, those that wrote about Yeshua later may have lied. Hey! That's what we were discussing earlier! No first-hand accounts of his life!

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And Jesus said He was God, proving it. This is extremely special affording us eternal life.

Apparently, he alluded to being god but, for some reason, wouldn't come out and say it. He must have forgotten about being god while he was on the cross, though. Weird.

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My burden is for you, but after hearing this evidence, if you choose to reject it, it is because you want to go to hell. Jesus said that even if He returned right this second to stand before you, you would still not believe Him. How truly this is. What a guy! What a God!

You're still threatening me and, what's worse, not trying to convince me. What have I ever done to you?

Going to bed.

mikey1987 · 03-11-2005, 09:06 PM

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AS IF is the terminology used because they were. Your disbelief is your flesh astir, for the document is preserved and documented and held under protection. Read the Case for Faith by Lee Strobel to see that it is the case. You should listen to what he has to say; in the guiness book of records is also another lawyer who holds the record for winning the most cases in a row. He said the resurection account is the best case argument he has ever seen in his life.

Paul was flawless in the epistles and his integrety is beautiful. See 1 Cor. 15 where Paul says he met Jesus in Person.

The difference between Muslims and Christianity is that the former was written by a pedophile pirate killer in a cave while Christianity is founded on 4000 years of facts, and Jesus died for those facts of spiritual reality. Mohammed called Jesus a liar, though Jesus did no wrong. And Jesus said He was God, proving it. This is extremely special affording us eternal life.

My burden is for you, but after hearing this evidence, if you choose to reject it, it is because you want to go to hell. Jesus said that even if He returned right this second to stand before you, you would still not believe Him. How truly this is. What a guy! What a God!

how about we play a different game. I've read Lee Strobel and the guys is guilty of nearly every fallacy in hte book. How about you read some Nietszche. Read how man has created god to fill a void and is now in the process of killing him because he is no longer needed.

And learn to spell oxymoron while you're at it

lvdyou · 03-11-2005, 09:08 PM

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Lee effin' Strobel! Puh-leeze. Preachin' to the chior won't do much for the heathens, I'm afraid.
That document makes statements about the supernatural to include fallen angels and demons. Let's start with a demonstration of the existance of anything supernatural. Then we can proceed to your flavor.
Except by you. Again, why do you want me to allow your god to torture me forever? Shouldn't your god know why I don't believe? If so, you think he'll cause me to be in eternal pain for using the brain he gave me? Man he's mean! You want to hang out with him?

Nuh uh. The Holy Spirit need to work on her editing, BTW.

Lee Strobel does the best work, but even the best work won't help one who is hellbent on hell for we are made in the image of God given the right to choose.

You asked for the supernatural, which is proven here,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/perfectproof.htm (see the 4 point proof), angels and demons naturally follow.

Righteously God has to put you in hell because He loves His children. He loves His sons and daughters so much that He will never let you near them for eternity. That is true love. Therefore, God keeps you eternally separated from Him and us. Praise the Lord! That is justice and righteousness. He won't hang you but preserve your soul forever in hell because once you reached God-consciousness in the Adamic race, He righteously has no right ot annihilate your soul. It would be against His holy character. So He has no choice but to create a dimension called hell for you to reside in forever.

You can not depend on the evil spirit spirit for your bad reading skills, for he is the one that causes you to read so badly that which is plain English.

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