aa5874

Some poster said, "I aid HJers".

aa5874

Is it arrogant or typically fundamentalist to support YOUR claim that Jesus of the NT did not exist?

mens_sana

I misunderstood also. I thought Mountainman was going to give us the names of some of the historians who had been silenced. Ah, well.

mens_sana

That was me, and I believe I said "aid and support" the HJers. Needless to say, this is not your intention, but as I said, your knee-jerk responses and utter intransigence are a genuine comfort to the "enemy." If you were the only MJ spokesman, the approach would have been been recognized as just the flip-side of the Fundamentalism and dismissed as cult thinking decades ago.

aa5874

In what way do I aid and support HJers? You just not making any sense.

How does saying, the Jesus story was fiction but believed to be true, "aid and support HJers"? You not very logical.

mountainman

Ah, well. Are you incapable of examining the evidence yourself?

* Where are the original writings of Porphyry ?
* Where are the original writings of Arius of Alexandria?
[We know Constantine edicted for their destruction]

* Where are the original writings of the emperor Julian?
[We know Cyril "refuted" the work prior to its "silence"]

* Where are the first thirteen books of Ammianus?
[Where is Constantine's Obituary?]



Ah well, and if you need a reminder closer to the home turf of the 21st century, try looking up the name of Edward Gibbon in the Vatican's "Librorum Prohibitorum".

In the fourth and fifth centuries there would have been an equivalent of this horrid "Librorum Prohibitorum" .... it would have been kept as a hit-list in the offices of the chief christian bishops of the christian emperors.

It may be difficult to imagine what was on it in the early fourth century, so it is best to start by examining its contents at the end of the 5th:

See .... the Decretum Gelasianum.

If you have any questions, or other misunderstandings,
speak up.

That Christianity may have in historical truth only appeared in the fourth century as a top-down emperor cult initiated by Constantine the Great Bullneck military supremacist and basilica builder, is not an impossible solution to christianities actual historical origins.


Best wishes,



Pete Brown

J-D

Yes, and your point is?

No. But it would be arrogant of you to believe that any worldwide decline in belief in a historical Jesus is a result of your activity. I don't think you do believe that. But it is what you said, even if it's not what you meant, and I think that's funny.

J-D

By making the case for your side very badly, you make it look worse than it really is.

J-D

OK, since you ask: are you still playing bait-and-switch?

mountainman

The evidence is the bait.

Here is the evidence I have accumulated to be discussed concerning the postulate that we have christianity preceeding the rise of Constantine.

WTF?

Best wishes,



Pete