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Old 12-14-2009, 12:45 PM   #21
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He also slammed part 1 of Zeitgeist, something which well deserved that slam.

He also described how he had once been a skeptic of the Big Bang, and how mainstream scientists like Victor Stenger had convinced him that it was real. He also noted that mainstream ones had converged on the same overall concept of the Big Bang, complete with the same arguments, while Xian apologists not only vary all over the place with their arguments, they sometimes use different arguments at different times.
What was part 1 about? I forget.
It was about the Zodiac, Horus/Isis/Osiris, the year of the fish, "sun/son of god" connection (which only makes sense in English) and all that nonsense.
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What was part 1 about? I forget.
It was about the Zodiac, Horus/Isis/Osiris, the year of the fish, "sun/son of god" connection (which only makes sense in English) and all that nonsense.
Oh, and the three days for the stars to "rise" after winter solstice? I think I remember now.
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RC also slammed that part of Zeitgeist as making comparative mythology look stupid. As he points out, similarities between Jesus Christ and Horus are not that great, and a much more relevant comparison is with Osiris.
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Thanks for the link to the Youtube thing. Rather funny to listen to.

Doesn't it support that all of it is in the head of the believers and that that is why it works so well.

all this philosophical stuff about God being a supernatural being and how improbable that is and how logical it is.

I mean if God and Jesus is something going on within the brain of the believers then God is about Neuro Psychology and not about philosophy so why do we go on about logical definitions of "lack of belief" when it is more like being a Star Trekker or not. All knows it is SciFi and not even good such either. Why do philosphy when it is more about literature and stories that one feel for like Star Wars and Yoda and Jedi knights and such fantasy things.

It is more about a psychological need to belong to the gang who do StarTrekk or StarWars or StarGate or BattleStar Galactica or whatever. Lost anybody?

It is more like belonging to a culture and going to the Comic yearly conventions or to be like my neighbor to say that Jesus and Captain Kirk is same scifi shit. Nothing to care about.

Okay there is a big difference. The Jesus Fans take him very seriously saying he really exists and still exists to them now.

But that is how the Jedi Church act now too. Taking Yoda very seriously.

Who know some 2000 years from now there are real Jedi Churches maybe.

I trust all this is psychological needs and not philosophical needs and I wish atheist would care more about the psychology of faith and less about the philosophy of faith because very few believers are in it for the philosphy.

We nonbelievers has to be rational enough to know what is actually going on and not get bogged down in philosophy when none of it deals with what is really going on.

Sorry I get so upset over us wasting time. We have done philosophy now since 1948 or 1970 or 1989 or 1998 and still do it and it have taken us nowhere.

When will we ever learn to see religion for what it is. A psychological and social and cultural and political tool for groups to deal with the individuality of the members of that tradition. How to keep big groups cooperating without getting split up in numerous splinter groups. Religion is one such social tool to solve such problems.

That doesn't mean that religion is good or harmless, but it means that it has almost nothing to do with philosophy. Religion is about how to deal with human condition of being very many in crowded places and to go along together.
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