squiz

You seeing to be playing along with the conceit common in parts of the US especially that "Christian" refers to modern Evangelical style protestantism and excludes Catholics, Orthodox and even more traditional Protestant denominations.

Although most Christians (including Catholics) in the West seem to have stopped blaming the Jews for the death of Christ, I have heard this claim from various Eastern Europeans (specifically Ukrainians, Rumanians and Yugoslavians) that I know. This disturbed me greatly, especially as the people concerned were all relatively young.

Clouseau

Surely one can hardly blame Jews for massacres.

But that is promised for the afterlife, not for this one. It is the temporal comments in the Qur'an that cause concern, prompting suggestions of an Islamic New Testament or 'Reformation'.

Lucretius

They will probably come up with the usual concluding ecumenical statement that basically says :
"Well what was really meant in our Holy Books by "unbelievers" does NOT include the monotheistic faiths of Christianity,Judiasm and Islam, we are all worshipping the same God you know just in different ways , but it really refers to those awful polytheistic Hindus, so thats all sorted .Now who is ready for a Crusade /Jihad on India then ? "

Clouseau

The description 'evangelical style Protestantism' would stimulate less suspicion of bias. But as there is no allusion made to any 'style' or species of Christians, I assume that the poster has concluded that anti-Semitism is not an evangelical problem, though it is for others.

Btw, the evangelical 'tradition' traces its roots to the early church, but also to Wycliffe, who well predates any Protestant denomination.

Can we have documentary evidence of this, please?

Magdlyn

Which was my point above. Not just the golden calf worshipers, but the Asherah and Baal worshipers as well. The destruction of sacred places and murder of their priests ordered by Josiah is a case in point. And more readily shown to be historical than the Exodus legend.

Exactly. Except India has sort of been tried and the Europeans were sent packing. Now the Church (fundies and Catholics) is focusing on indigenous peoples of "undeveloped" poverty stricken countries in S America and Africa and the political/economic wastelands of China and Russia.

Sure. The movie called

Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan (or via: amazon.co.uk)

squiz

Hmm. I think it is quite well known that the modern evangelicals (at least since the rise of dispensationalism) are less anti-semitic than most other Christians (until recent times at least), although many would consider "running missions to Jews" a manifestation of anti-semitism.

I am not sure what Wycliff's record is regarding the Jews, but Luther for one was not too friendly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies

Unfortunately not. I speak only from personal experience, as I said.

gstafleu

The problem here is not so much that there are many more and much worse passages than the few relatively innocuous ones quoted (there are), but rather that once you start to "set them in their proper historical context," most passages will turn out to be "bound by conditions of social milieu, of culture, of historical context."

So that once people have completed the following:
most of what previously was seen as revealed divine truth now is revealed as expressions of the culture of that time and place. Sure, a few things will be more or less timeless, like the Golden Rule, but even those were derived from then extant thought. Robert Price e.g. shows this time and again.

What they are trying to do--make the various scriptures less noxious--is of course in itself quite valid and commendable. But it does open the floodgates, and any arks will probably only be able to rescue a sense of historical interest rather than one of current relevance.

Gerard Stafleu

Clouseau

That sounds like pure fantasising.

People desperate for ammunition in fighting Christianity probably would.


Yawn.

Funny, that looks pretty desperate, too.

It does not seem likely that the lady concerned can have had this in mind, then.

Ray Moscow

It's kind of pathetic in a way.

The problem is obvious to most outside observers: the main monotheistic religions blaspheme each other in their most basic doctrines.

There is no solution except to minimise the effect these religions have in the public sphere.

Ray

Clouseau

Agreed.