Light

Mastering Christian Teaching. (From another thread. To the Moderator.) An Ancient understanding based on COnsideration and REspect for ALL other people, as ONE family of Mankind, globallyforming the CORE of correct belief and understanding.

Christ preached forgiveness for "sins" but He did NOT preach forgiveness for premeditated evil, premeditated crime, or for malice aforethought, where both can be PROVEN to have been committed with intent.

I use legal terms because GOD is seen to be The Judge.

So when considering crime, evil, or deliberation with malice aforethought and intent, one has to take a LEGAL as well as a moral viewpoint.

Obviously any religion which deals with the occult practises of temptations of the "devil" and the attentions of "satan" has a free choice, but the ONLY RIGHTEOUS choice is NOT to deal in the temptations of the "devil" and the attentions of "satan" just in order to draw attention to ITSELF when ALL of this "teaching" can be done by science.

NOBODY has to be tortured or spiritually crucified in order to teach them science.

Again Christ said "Suffer the little children to come unto me." as a TEACHER and NOT as an inquisitor, torturer, crucifier, thief or murderer, as NONE of this speaks either of love or of loving.

The word "Suffer" is ONLY used in its archaic sense, and means ask or permit. There is NO intention to make people suffer OR to martyr themselves OR to be spiritually crucified for the lack of any ritual "religious" observance. Christ had NO church, remember, it was for His teaching to FOUND a church, but NOT one which deals in devils, satans, and temptation, NOR indeed in evil. It was intended, and STILL is to be instructive as in teaching.

We may ask what the celibacy knows about loving OR we may ask what the almost psychopatic tendency of some people knows about loving.

What does all of the killing, bombing, torture and satanic practises, devils, "temptation" and so on, involved in Holiness mean to a scientific mind? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

This form of "belief" which deals in ritualised "sacrifice" is very outdated and very unenlightened.

Scientific understanding is a MUCH MORE Enlightened form of belief.

Those who have received it do NOT nod in front of walls, thrash themselves with chains, hold mock crucifictions, use devils, satans, torture, inquisition, prayers and so on because they DO NOT HAVE TO given that their enlightenment is already COMPLETE.

GOD Himself does not do any of these things so why should anyone else?

Science has no praying, NOR does it prey on other people.

Believing is not praying. Believing is believing.

Science is believing and believing is science.

Devils, satans and evil, with its attendant crimes, are the stuff of "religion". Indeed it is a LOT of stuff and nonsense all of these holes and holinesses. (Hole-i-nesses.)

Women are NOT there to be thought of as a collection of holes for mans pleasure. They ARE there to be LOVING partners to men.

Science is the intelligent art of believing.

It has NOTHING to do with any hole(s).

When it comes to Teaching, especially scientifically it is known that intelligent people who do NOT wish to disadvantage others, and who CARE for other people as they are FULLY aware that we ALL live on the SAME planet, have one or two children whilst others do not follow the same example.

A sipmple example is this. If forty married couples produce twenty children then the class size will be twenty.

If, on the other hand forty married couples in a less advanced country, where the people are poor and do not receive ADEQUATE instruction, produce 400 children (ten per couple) the class size will be 4000 and the children will prove unruly and disruptive. COnsequently this makes such a socuiety VERY difficult to govern AT ALL as Ptresident Saddam Hussein found out to his cost.

It is therefore for the "religious" "leadership to EDUCATE people PROPERLY and to give them ADEQUATE instruction in ALL matters which are ESSENTIAL in arriving at any COMMON policy which is common to the good management and Governance of the ENTIRE planet at the same time instead of maintaining sectarian, "cultural" and "religious" "differences.

We are ALL the SAME and ALL live on the SAME planet. We are ALL dependant upon the same resources and MUST find ALL of the ways to CO-OPERATE with each other in ensuring our mutual survival for a long as possible where sustainability and peace are BUILT-IN to the system where REnewable REsources are of PRIME importance in maintaining everyone in the manner to which they have become accustomed.

The Christian Master is depicted, in the Crucifixion scene as the CENTRAL Figure between two "theives." Both are stealing something by their dishonesty, and so both are hypocrites.

The scene has the Three figures which ALSO represent the Trinity. Christ is the Fair REfereee on behalf of His Father Who Created Him, and His job is to ensure Fair play.

When you consider all of the opposing factions in this fractured Wold on which we ALL live you will see pairs of opposing hypocrisies.

Hypocrites oppose each other whereas Christian Masters would wish for Peacefull co-operation between ALL peoples.

Christ dd NOT come down to Earth to preach hatred and violence. He came to preace Peace and Brotherly Love between All peoples and between neighbours.

He should NOT have had to endure crucifixion NOR should He have had to endure superstious nonsense, devils, satans and all manner of nonsense from a severely unenlightened society where people are STILL fihting with each other and "martyring" themselves out of pure ignorance or for reasons of greed, whilst the "religious leadership" actively ENCOURAGES them to do so.

Obviously this is NOT a Righteious leadership but an irresponsible one which has NEVER given people adequate instruction on how many children to have, how to educate them and how to show RE proper REspect to one anotther, simply out of RESPECT for HIM Who Created them.

As "religious" people this is the very LEAST they could do.

Cleaning up pornography, ridding the planet of tobacco, the temptations of the devil and all of this satanic nionsense, plus all of the crime this all produces so that people are ABLE to live in peace is what they need to do.

But then they need an ABLE Leadership and NOT a citizen Cain figure or a megalomaniac.

Cetrtainly if Cain kills Able just as Seth murdered Osiris then those who commit murder will win over those who are ABLE to prevent this from happening.

When ABLE is dead, then UN-RE-A-SON-ABLE people will wish to take over.

In the age of enlightened scientific RE-A-SON these devils and satans are VERY outdated.

They have been so for at least 2004 years.

Obviously belief in ONE GOD, ONE Creator is COMMON to all people.

For US to care properly for each other in REspect of our collective duty to Him is OUR collective REsponsibility.

To be ABLE to do this we MUST ALL REspect each other.

variant 13

I would like to know who these ancients were because they don't sound like any group from history that I know.

They've only been interested Respect and ConsiderAtion when it comes to themselves, the rest of the world be damned if they won't listen and Presume to know better, or they believe CRAP.

Well that's not true, I've known very intelligent people that couldn't care less about other people. [Edited to change word to other)

I think that religious people should not teach anything to anyone about anything unless an individual comes to them with questions.

Leave porn alone, I like it and it doesn't have to take advantage of people and cause crime. YEs links are there but that doesn't mean that it's all bad. Criminals are linked with art too, is art evil?

As for tobacco - well that is a scientifical good to have tobacco being sold, thins the herd so to speak.

Only getting rid of these will not change the fact that people don't all believe the same thing, though I seem to remember you mentioning (somewhere) that everyone should being in this scientific belief of yours.

No, just no.
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Look, in plain and simple english, using very simple terms, explain this scientific belief.

Coz as I see it teaching in this way would be to remove from it anything to do with god and jesus because of the lack of evidence.

Light

I will add that by crucifying all Three people in the Crucifixion scene, a Trinity of people, those involved are crucifying the Ideal (of) Christianity.

Intelligent Children make for intelligent people.

Intelligent people care for EVERYONE in this GLOBAL society as they would wish to be cared for themselves.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

schu

Mary Baker Eddy with her Christian Science and Ron Hubbard with his Scientology have already started religious movements claiming that they are using science as a way of viewing the xian cult. It seemed to work well for them as their cults have flourished over the years. There seems always to be enough people who want to seem intelligent by joining a religious movement with science in its name. This strategy seems even more dishonest to me than the run of the mill believer's claim of faith. They just add another layer of flim flam to their rhetoric. I presume the use of science just makes it a little more palatable for those who have an inkling that they are swallowing bunk.
This may be a good way to treat with other people, but other religion and philosophical movements have used the same idea. It isn't unique to xianity. The modern version seems to even work better. From Game Theory comes what seems to be the best strategy of interacting with other people: Treat others as they treat you, but don't be the first to be mean and nasty.

Light

"Treat others as they treat you, but don't be the first to be mean and nasty."

Don't be nasty at ALL when you can be kind and educate people properly and intelligently.

Sexual coercion, sexual induction, sexual control, and sexual interference is NOT what I would expect from my OWN Father so why should anyone expect such thuings from any "holy" man with whom they have NO RElationship at all.

This is NOT how I would expect my children to be treated and I would NEVER treat other people's children in such an UNDERHANDED fashion JUST to maintain one Pope's "control" over them.

He should have been DISMISSED long ago.

This sexual INTERFERENCE is a DISGRACE.

It is the thing of EVIL IDiot's who do NOT know how to teach people properly and use LOW cunning and trickery instead.

Just the sort of thing one would expect from a Polish peasant with a lust for power no matter what the price in terms of human misery, anguish, suffering and incomprehension that such a DASTARDLY thing could be done to THEIR children.

This ONE man perpetuates ignorance and suffering on a MASSIVE scale and is DIRECTLY responsible for holy warring and continuous killing.

Such IS the nature of ignorant and ignoble peasantry.

These EVIL (vile) religious pimps & parasites would steal from YOU in the name of their church (holy men) are no better than a Bordello Madame and their devils and satans can join them in what amounts to a whore-mongers slaughter house where they seek to prostitute EVERYBODY to "their" hol(e)y "father".

Just what this catholic peasant has to do with those of other faiths and scientific belief I really do not know.

And after his totally irresponsible mismanagement of the entire planet and his endless regime of poverty, misery and suffering, I really don't care.

ALL those people who have been treated in this way by this fool are owed an apology and full compensation in a proper court of law devoid of interfering priests, devils and satans who only wish to manipulate people for their OWN "pleasure" and because they think it "amusing" to do so.

I, for one, am NOT amused.

As for practising eugenics on human beings they simply disgust me. Having made this mess in Poland they seek to blame anyone they can for their own fault and failing.

So much for Polish "mysticism" devils and satans then.

Now ALL you need is science and NOT an evil double-dealing pack of "card-sharpes" with three jokers.

One is a knave, the other a fool, and the third thinks to laugh at you.

Ho ho ho, I suppose.

My science Master did not laugh at me, He taught me, and I did not laugh at Him. We had more REspect for each other than these hol(e)y men have for anybody they supposedly "minister" too, which in fact can be translated as INTERFERE with.

I have my OWN Father I have NO need of ANY other.

If these holy men were REAL Brothers to their little brothers they would no t behave in this way.

"Do NOT look down on these Little One's of mine." said the Lord God Almighty.

And it was Christ Who tried to teach them the ways of peace and NOT of devils, satans, and evil, and satanic practise.

Underhanded trickery and treachery is all it is. The church versus the People.

This amounts to the church versus the state in which these people live.

ALL states everywhere.

jfryejr

What does the pope's nationality and prior social status have to do with his behavior?

This one man has a very large following. In case you haven't noticed, the pope isn't exactly the most charismatic of leaders, yet people still follow him. The masses are as much to blame for their ignorance and his power as this ONE man...no followers, no power.

I think this is a bit of a hyperbole. The pope is no longer king of the world

Agreed...Although I don't quite understand how this rant against the pope is related to the OP.

variant 13

He certainly gets about a bit for such an old man with quite advanced parkinson's disease.

What's this thing you have against sex? A properly run Bordello is not necessarily a bad thing.

I agree all that is needed is science, but I don't think you're talking about that. I think you're talking about religion dressed up as science.

You still haven't defined what you mean yet.

Light

I rather think that you will find that the scintific RE-Al-ity has been dressed up as religion.

Quite the opposite.

Law and Order starts with taking REsponsibility for the actions of others as well as yourself. It is ONLY in this way that crime can be prevented and we can live in a Free World, Free of crime, abuse, and quite unnecessary suffering, from the poverty of those caught in the poverty trap, often exacerbated by religions which do NOT limit the numbers of children to a number which they can educate, house, cloth and feed properly.

(Hence the birth of Christ in a Stable in Bethlehem. Quite a different place today? But then they are still killing each other for "differing" opposing "religious" beliefs. How can there be differing beliefs for the One God? Surely they MUST be the SAME. It is this which is known as "The Unifying Principle. ONE belief in ONE GOD.)

As for licensed Bordellos. When you think it is all right for you or your daughter to prostitute themselves for money with no other hope for a decent life then you will have FULLY given up on YOUR part in the COLLECTIVE REsponsibility of EVERYONE (ALL REsponsible People) to treat each other DECENTLY and to PREVENT this from happening.

A REgular Military of Professionals would ENSURE that these abuses are NOT allowed to happen.

If such a system had been employed from the oputset there would be far fewer people born into poverty, better regulation, better education NO need for evil and satans and better standards all round for everyone.

As it is the World is dramatically over-populated, over-developed and under-nourished.

You do ALL live on the same Planet, but by NOT adopting a one-child policy (one natural birth event) or by NOT limiting the numbers of children born to any one family or group then disproportionate numbers are still fighting with each other.

These are broken down into sectarian and national groups and ALL the people of this planet need to have ONE COMMON POLICY for this sort of dreadful neglect of children, who STILL live in ignorance and poverty to be prevented and for ALL people to benefit from God's bounty without greed, without avarice, without ignorance, without fear, without evil, without crime, without devils, without satans and without ALL of this pseudo-religious nonsense, where people recite the same scripture from THOUSANDS of years ago, again and again.

This hardy constitutes CURRENT affairs and pressing needs, does it?

What people need is to be treated with LOVE and NOT with trickery, deceit and lies.

Dirty tricks campaigns and vengeance are NOT in the teachings of Christ.

Forgiveness and LOVE are.

variant 13

Avoiding the issue :banghead:

How do you take responibility for the actions of others?

So you say, but I think that you are just RANTING. I say that if it is a persons choice to do such a thing then there is no problem.

What is this problem you have with sex and porn?
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I have ask this a number of times now:

PLEASE define what YOU mean when you talk about scientific belief.

PLEASE use PLAIN english.

YOUR REFUSAL to define what you are talking about is suspicious, I think that is not science you are talking about, I think that it is religion.

I look forward to your answer.

Starboy

I seem to remember reading somewhere that Hubbard started scientology as a bet he had with several other science fiction writers. Like all religions it was a fraud from the start since the founder knew it was all lies and a heck of a way to make a buck.

Starboy