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Steven Carr · 02-24-2010, 12:20 AM

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...or perhaps embarrassed by such charges from nonChristians:

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Originally Posted by Justin Martyr, First Apology:21

And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter.

2 Peter was not written to non-Christians. Its anger is vented against fellow Christians.

Doug Shaver · 02-24-2010, 03:02 PM

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where are you getting the idea that the Church says that 2 Peter in non-authentic?

It works like this for aa5874. Whenever some people in the church said one thing and other people in the church said something else, then "the church" is represented by those who said what aa5874 needs the church to have said in order to prove his point. No one who said anything different counts as a member of the church.

In this regard, he is a bit like the fundamentalists who insist that the church has always been of one mind and one accord about all issues of substance, because anybody of a different mind didn't really belong to the church.

aa5874 · 02-24-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by brianscott1977

where are you getting the idea that the Church says that 2 Peter in non-authentic?

It works like this for aa5874. Whenever some people in the church said one thing and other people in the church said something else, then "the church" is represented by those who said what aa5874 needs the church to have said in order to prove his point. No one who said anything different counts as a member of the church.

In this regard, he is a bit like the fundamentalists who insist that the church has always been of one mind and one accord about all issues of substance, because anybody of a different mind didn't really belong to the church.

Rubbish. What you have posted is just not true. You don't know what you are talking about. Please deal with the OP.

Doug Shaver · 02-25-2010, 12:19 PM

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Please deal with the OP.

I think the author of II Peter was dealing with accusations that Christians like him had invented stories about the origins of their religion. Whether the accusers regarded themselves as Christians cannot be discerned from the letter, but it is likely that in the author's opinion, anybody who made such accusations was not a true Christian.

What the author of II Peter might have meant when he said "we were witnesses to his majesty" is anybody's guess.

spamandham · 02-25-2010, 08:25 PM

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...or perhaps embarrassed by such charges from nonChristians:

2 Peter was not written to non-Christians. Its anger is vented against fellow Christians.

That's fine, but that doesn't tell us who was making the charges. It's commonplace to defend oneself to party B when party B is familiar with charges made by party C.

dog-on · 02-26-2010, 12:31 AM

2 Peter may be an anti-Marcionite polemic and the Christians referred to in his quotation may have simply been Marcionites.

Steven Carr · 02-26-2010, 04:27 AM

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2 Peter was not written to non-Christians. Its anger is vented against fellow Christians.

That's fine, but that doesn't tell us who was making the charges. It's commonplace to defend oneself to party B when party B is familiar with charges made by party C.

It is not party C that is being attacked. It is Christians in positions of leadership that are being attacked.

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