FatherMithras

Just not as good as continental drift, and it has a hard time with the fact with the amount of water on earth, it's impossible.

Amaleq13

Biblical Criticism & History, folks, not Evolution/Creation.

Thanks in advance,


Amaleq13, BC&H moderator

Roller

Pardon in advance

If those fossils were deposited by flood, we would not expect to find them in their regular habitats. However, that is what we find. Even Leonardo da Vinci noted this several centuries ago.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to Amaleq 13: This is the last time that I will discuss the supposed global flood in this thread. Thank you in advance for your indulgence.

Well sure, but if that happened, God sure went out of his way to make it appear to modern geologists that the shells on mountains got there naturally. Consider the following:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC364.html

Shells on mountains are easily explained by uplift of the land. Although this process is slow, it is observed happening today, and it accounts not only for the seashells on mountains but also for the other geological and paleontological features of those mountains. The sea once did cover the areas where the fossils are found, but they were not mountains at the time; they were shallow seas.

A flood cannot explain the presence of marine shells on mountains for the following reasons:

Floods erode mountains and deposit their sediments in valleys.

In many cases, the fossils are in the same positions as they grow in life, not scattered as if they were redeposited by a flood. This was noted as early as the sixteenth century by Leonardo da Vinci (Gould 1998).

Other evidence, such as fossilized tracks and burrows of marine organisms, show that the region was once under the sea. Seashells are not found in sediments that were not formerly covered by sea.

Johnny: We can continue these discussions at the Science and Skepticism Forum in a thread that you started in April, 2005. The thread is at http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=152720. How about it? You were embarrassed in that thread by several skeptics, and you quickly left town, and yet you are bold enough to embarrass yourself again at this forum. Amazing. Possibly Diogenes the Cynic said it best at the S&S Forum with "And there is nothing 'pesky' about seashells on mountains. It would actually be a problem for plate tectonics if they WEREN'T there." Have you got it now, Praxeus?

Are you not aware that many ancient cultures believed in various versions of great flood stories? For instance, many people believe that the Bible version was based upon a prior Babylonian version. Of course, if there was a global flood, and it was caused by a “supernatural” being, why should anyone believe that the God of the Bible is that same being?

Wads4

You agree with Pascal's wager then?

Johnny Skeptic

Well, I consider one of your web sites to be awful, and I believe little of what you say there and at this forum, so that makes us even.

May I ask why you believe that the God of the Bible and the creator of the universe are the same being?

Gwalcmai

Hmmm. I didn't experience any pop-ups. Have you heard of pop-up blockers? Or was this your way of denigrating the site without actually coming out and saying it?

Wads4

These anti-Christian myths and legends seem to be very wide-spread and arise from many disparate modern sources based on well-documented ancient ones, eg Julian "the apostate", the derogatory comments of Tacitus, Pliny, Celsus, Marcus Aurelius etc. I wonder why so many people had it in for Christianity, both ancient and modern, and disliked it to the extent of persecuting it (prior to the Christians returning the favour)? It seems to me that Christians made themselves even more obnoxious by their judgemental attitudes than the Jews from who they derived, who also had an objectionable attitude of superiority to the Gentiles, and the "uncirmcumcised" heathens. If any proof were needed, just look at the antics of modern fundamentalists, and their attitude to natural science and philosophy and ethics,--an attitude shared by modern religious Jews and Muslims as a result of them having to read the Good Book as an instruction manual on how to live, instead of cooperating more fully with the rest of society.