aa5874

Again, the Gospel of Barnabas does not confirm that the supposed Judas was crucified it is just a contradictory source for his death.

And, as more and more contradictions are found then the theory that the Judas betrayal story was fiction is augmented.

This is found in the fragments of Papias.

These massive variations or versions do help to diminish the veracity of the Judas story.

andrewcriddle

The narrative in Luke-Acts is not necessarily (in isolation) one of suicide, it could be understood as death by misadventure. What is probably corroborated by multiple attestation is Judas' sudden death shortly after the death of Jesus but not whether it was suicide or not.

Andrew Criddle

PhilosopherJay

Hi Steven,

According to the earliest source, "Supergirl" in Action Comics #252 (May 1959), was sent to Earth by her father Zor-El as the last survivor of the City of Argo, which had drifted through outer space after Krypton exploded, to be raised by her cousin, Superman."

According to the movie, "Supergirl" (1984), She was sent to Earth by her uncle Zaltar to retrieve the Dodecahedron, an energy device that was necessary for the survival of the city Argo. Argo was not in "outer space," but in "inner space," with the Earth somehow being outside of it.

Because of the contradictions, we cannot be sure, why Supergirl came to Earth, if she was the last survivor of Argo, if Argo was in inner or outer space, or if she was sent by her father or uncle.

However because the two sources do represent multiple attestations, we can be sure that in history:

"Supergirl" was called Kara Zor-el, did come to Earth from the city of Argos of the planet Krypton, and was Superman's cousin.

Thus multiple attestations is a useful way of determining history from fiction.

Warmly,

Philosopher Jay

avi

Brilliant.

Here's a couple of newspaper articles, relatively recent, i.e. in the last few decades, about Babe the Blue Ox:

Lewiston, Maine

LaCrosse, Wisconsin

St. Ignace, Michigan

The astute reader will notice that these multiple attestations, arise in many different geographic locations, thereby increasing the reader's confidence in their validity.

I would just add for the record, that I am agnostic on the question of Babe's DNA.

avi

aa5874

What you state is certainly not at all true. Once there are massive holes in the stories of the death of the supposed Judas then it may be that the initial story was just invented. And there is no non-apologetic external corroborative source for the betrayal of Jesus.

Even gJohn contradicted the earlier betrayal stories and claimed Jesus identified himself and surrendered on his own accord.

The idea of the betrayal seems to be from Psalms 41.9 and 1 Ch 12.17

1Ch 12:17 -

squiz

Why is that?

bacht

More likely scripture

yalla

I bought my RSV at a second hand bookshop for $1.
It has the convenience of having footnotes.
Some are about manuscript variations but most show how particular verses/pericopes from the NT are 'related' in some way to the Hebrew Bible.
Some are direct quotes, correctly or incorrectly recorded, nearly all [all?] from the LXX which is passing strange, and many noting close parallels in wording or sense to material from the Hebrew Bible.
Lots of them.
Lots and lots.
Several per page, for the gospels dozens for each of the 4.
And, as a well known TV commercial here says, "that's not all'.
Dig a little, pay attention to parallels cited by various authors and it is plain that the reason why there are not hundreds [?] of allusions to the H. Bible noted for each of the gospels and the others is simply lack of space on the page.

Clearly the major source for the NT is the Hebrew Bible.

bacht

Yeah I haunt the 2nd hand places, that's where I picked up my edition of Jewish Wars and other biblical material. Admittedly out of date, but often including helpful photos, maps etc. I can't afford to buy all kinds of new stuff, I have to pick and choose.

In my church-going days I would've seen all these allusions as OT 'prophecy'. Now I tend to agree with you that virtually all the canonical stuff is literature rather than history, recycled Jewish material. Then there's the minimalist position re the Hebrew scriptures, and we seem to get more support for this view all the time ie. the dubious nature of David and other 'historical' figures.

It really does seems to be the "revenge of the nerds"

darstec

I think that first one would have to exist before any "true" account of a fictitious character can be established.