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Old 02-10-2013, 07:47 PM   #831
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I provided the citation from Philo and supporting evidence for the correct interpretation of the evidence. Philo's Therapeutae used a 364 day solar calendar.
Philo was referring to "POWER of the RIGHT ANGLE TRIANGLE--Not a 364 day Solar system.
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In the first place, these men assemble at the end of seven weeks, venerating not only the simple week of seven days, but also its multiplied power, for they know it to be pure and always virgin; and it is a prelude and a kind of forefeast of the greatest feast, which is assigned to the number fifty, the most holy and natural of numbers, being compounded of the power of the right-angled triangle, which is the principle of the origination and condition of the whole....
The Therapeutae system was based on some kind of geometrical principle.

Please read the Text itself and stop relying on FLawed opinion.
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I provided the citation from Philo and supporting evidence for the correct interpretation of the evidence. Philo's Therapeutae used a 364 day solar calendar.
It is senseless to talk to someone who is incapable of differentiating between internet shite and texts from scholars in the field

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Here are some of the Google links I recommended:

http://books.google.com/books?id=m2n...%20364&f=false
Judaic Religion in the Second Temple Period: Belief and Practice from the ...
By Lester L. Grabbe

364 day year mentioned in association with Aramaic Levy.
Therapeutae mentioned in the next section on Job.

FAIL: Nothing to do with Philo's VC.


Calendrical Variations in Second Temple Judaism: New Perspectives on the ...
By Stéphane Saulnier

"The year expounded in Philo's treatment of the therapeuate is REMINISCENT of the 364 day year".

REMINISCENT: It's a wish.


The People of the Dead Sea Scrolls
By Florentino García Martínez, Julio C. Trebolle Barrera

364 day calendar and therapeutae are in different footnotes.

FAIL: Nothing to do with Philo's VC.




Is a duplicate of the first link.
FAIL: Nothing to do with Philo's VC.


Jesus --- By Alvar Ellegard

The calendar is mentioned in one section, the therapeutae the next section.

FAIL: Nothing to do with Philo's VC.


Head of All Years: Astronomy and Calendars at Qumran in Their Ancient Context By Jonathan Ben-Dov

Mentions pentacontad reckoning finding support in Philo's VC but not the 364 day year.


FAIL.




Says "according to Philo, the Therapeutae counted time in sevens."

FAIL.


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The Therapeutae employed a 364 day 'Jubilee calendar'

This fact is not stated in any of your sources.

Shesh has been asking you to cite it from "VC".

It's obviously not in "VC".


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This whole thread has been people with no knowledge rumbling emptily over things that have no intrinsic meaning to them, rehearsing potted understandings of Conybeare.

spin has a very large IGNORANCE list.

what does this suggest?
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Old 02-10-2013, 07:55 PM   #833
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I provided the citation from Philo and supporting evidence for the correct interpretation of the evidence. Philo's Therapeutae used a 364 day solar calendar.
Your citation from Philo never mentions anything beyond the observance of a fifty day Festival cycle. = FAIL

The links you provide are all only assumptions built on information about other Jewish groups.
+ There is no direct evidence that the Theraputae followed the practices of these other groups. = FAIL

You still have failed to provide a citation from Philo, or from anyone else, that proves the Theraputae used a 364 day calendar. = FAIL.
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I provided the citation from Philo and supporting evidence for the correct interpretation of the evidence. Philo's Therapeutae used a 364 day solar calendar.
It is senseless to talk to someone who is incapable of differentiating between internet shite and texts from scholars in the field

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Here are some of the Google links I recommended:

http://books.google.com/books?id=m2n...%20364&f=false
Judaic Religion in the Second Temple Period: Belief and Practice from the ...
By Lester L. Grabbe

364 day year mentioned in association with Aramaic Levy.
Therapeutae mentioned in the next section on Job.

FAIL: Nothing to do with Philo's VC.


Calendrical Variations in Second Temple Judaism: New Perspectives on the ...
By Stéphane Saulnier

"The year expounded in Philo's treatment of the therapeuate is REMINISCENT of the 364 day year".

REMINISCENT: It's a wish.


The People of the Dead Sea Scrolls
By Florentino García Martínez, Julio C. Trebolle Barrera

364 day calendar and therapeutae are in different footnotes.

FAIL: Nothing to do with Philo's VC.




Is a duplicate of the first link.
FAIL: Nothing to do with Philo's VC.


Jesus --- By Alvar Ellegard

The calendar is mentioned in one section, the therapeutae the next section.

FAIL: Nothing to do with Philo's VC.


Head of All Years: Astronomy and Calendars at Qumran in Their Ancient Context By Jonathan Ben-Dov

Mentions pentacontad reckoning finding support in Philo's VC but not the 364 day year.


FAIL.




Says "according to Philo, the Therapeutae counted time in sevens."

FAIL.


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The Therapeutae employed a 364 day 'Jubilee calendar'

This fact is not stated in any of your sources.

Shesh has been asking you to cite it from "VC".

It's obviously not in "VC".


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This whole thread has been people with no knowledge rumbling emptily over things that have no intrinsic meaning to them, rehearsing potted understandings of Conybeare.

spin has a very large IGNORANCE list.

what does this suggest?
The comment you are in a tizz about was related to scholarship as compared with internet shite, and not being able to understand the difference.

Like some others here, all you do is reinforce the fact that you know nothing and you aren't interested in getting past the problem. You formed a lunatic notion that you have adhered to for years while ignoring anything that is scholarly, preferring to use Wikipedia and other internet gems including old tired books that are a century out of date. You aren't even getting onto the starting blocks, so you aren't in the race.

Scholarship is about learning from mistakes, your own and those of the past, in order to improve knowledge. It's not about blundering at the outset and sticking to it for the rest of your life, an albatross around your neck. And do you think you've said anything in the years I've had you on ignore that I really needed to read?

mountainman, you have had years to grow up and learn about the subject you have been dealing with for so long. Instead of learning anything you have chosen merely to defend an indefensible position that has already been falsified. Still you cling to your error as though it defines you. You are not merely the vehicle for your hobby horse. If you don't let go of it, you will become like one of those angry old men that inhabit the internet being nasty to whoever disagrees with their presuppositions, because that is all the life that is left.

Scholarship is about the investigation, not the conclusion, the road, not the destination. You've started off with a destination and got no closer to it in several years. It's like you know that there's gold in those mountains and if you keep looking you'll eventually find it, but there probably is no gold and you've become a crabby antisocial bearded cantankerous prospector keeping watch over your mountains with nothing to show for it. It's been time to let go for quite a while.
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Just a thought, Stephan: do you think you can relate any Sadducee material in the rabbinic literature securely to the first century? Isn't it all house of Hillel and house of Shammai, then Johanan ben-Zakai et al.? How did the Sadducees get into the gospels?
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Judaic Religion in the Second Temple Period: Belief and Practice from the ...
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364 day year mentioned in association with Aramaic Levy.
Therapeutae mentioned in the next section on Job.

FAIL: Nothing to do with Philo's VC.


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I think you have mixed up your links.

This link goes to the google book version of Jewish Women Philosophers of First-Century Alexandria: Philo's 'Therapeutae' Reconsidered (or via: amazon.co.uk) By Joan E. Taylor

It is directly on point. It explains how the Therapeutae's 7 day or 72 cycle fits well with a 364 day calendar. I will not try to reproduce the argument here, as it is complex.
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do you think you can relate any Sadducee material in the rabbinic literature securely to the first century?
I think the high priest Yishma’el, the authority behind the Rabbinic metaphysical and mystical tradition, was a Sadducee.
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In addition to the documentation, there is the fact that he is not given the title “rabbi” in reliable mss. of Tannaitic texts. There is evidence in the Tannaitic texts that the process of reconciliation within Pharisaism, and then between Pharisaism and other sects, finishing with an amalgam now called Rabbinic Judaism, started in the time of Yohanan ben Zakkai.
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Posts relating to Buddhism have been split off here
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Judaic Religion in the Second Temple Period: Belief and Practice from the ...
By Lester L. Grabbe

364 day year mentioned in association with Aramaic Levy.
Therapeutae mentioned in the next section on Job.

FAIL: Nothing to do with Philo's VC.


...
I think you have mixed up your links.

This link goes to the google book version of Jewish Women Philosophers of First-Century Alexandria: Philo's 'Therapeutae' Reconsidered (or via: amazon.co.uk) By Joan E. Taylor

It is directly on point. It explains how the Therapeutae's 7 day or 72 cycle fits well with a 364 day calendar. I will not try to reproduce the argument here, as it is complex.
This is what I read from that link.

There are two IF statements and one conjecture.


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If the Mareotic group did not have the idea that the 50th day was an extra day in each cycle, then one could conjecture that their year would perhaps have been one of 343 (7 x 49) days. A year of 343 days would have been neat, and would have allowed for easy repetitions of the cycle, but it is too short, and would actually disregard the cycle of the seasons.

If the Mareotic group adopted the solar 364-day calendar of Jubilees, then it would have been able to make a simple division of the year to give 52 weeks, which they would then need to accommodate to the fiftieth-day festivals.
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