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Old 06-22-2006, 04:40 AM   #11
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Until Da Vinci and other anatomists, not much was known about the human body. For example, at the University of Bologna, the Inquisition watched the dissections and would stop them if they thought the doctors were doing things that were heretical.
I have heard similar allegations before, however so far not been able to find sources supporting it.

Do you have any, or are you just repeating hearsay?
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That was sourced from a current BBC programme on Italy, where the pesenter showed us around the dissecting rooms at the University of Bologna and pointed out where the inquisition watched from. I can't see that as urban myth!
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In my readings over the years, the term historical Jesus in most contexts has referred to whatever is left of the gospels' central figure after the legendary accretions of Christian tradition and dogma have been removed, beginning with a fundamental assumption that the stories originated as accounts of the life and teachings of a real man. In those contexts, historical Jesus is contrasted not with a mythical Jesus but with the God-man of Christian orthodoxy.

In this sense, the concept of a historical Jesus is indeed historically recent. It goes back probably only to the Enlightenment. Even at that, I don't think any serious scholarly work was done on it until the late 19th century, and in that sense we could say it is barely a hundred years old.

What mythicists are arguing is that the search for a historical Jesus is futile because, contrary to its fundamental assumption, there never was such a man.
So what are we all arguing about? Do we not have a logical progression from classic godman, to enlightenment minimalist HJ, to current, well there ain't nuffin historical there and this does look like a classic god - therefore mythical!

The point is that mythicists are actually agreeing that the orthodox christian godman is the correct one, snag is godmen are human inventions!
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That was sourced from a current BBC programme on Italy, where the pesenter showed us around the dissecting rooms at the University of Bologna and pointed out where the inquisition watched from. I can't see that as urban myth!
As usual, no literary sources, then. Just a "presenter" on TV...

And I would be happy to understand what the inquision supposedly was to look out for - loose livers or provocative penises?

Those who tended to watch dissections were the doctors, often from behind a screen, ref. e.g.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondino_de_Liuzzi.

I think what is needed to be stated in this area is that - in opposition to all (AFAIK) other cultures (e.g. Greek, Roman, Arab, Chinese), Medieval Europe was the first time/place where dissections in fact were allowed...

The reason was that there were less or no religious taboos connected to dissections in Christian Europe. What one had were Roman traditions and family feelings (now, even today, how many would like to have their beloved ones dissected in full public?)...
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http://pacs.unica.it/biblio/lesson3.htm
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Precisely. As "The Catholic religion did not deter dissections, because the body is only a vessel which contains the soul", it is difficult to understand a need for inquisitors watching dissections

One reason for this TV presenter misunderstanding may be that the doctor involved asked questions in a formal "inquisitional" way based on Galen, and then someone having the notion that the medieval period was like a 20th century police state or something, understood this as that "The Inquisition" was involved.
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