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Old 10-30-2007, 05:40 AM   #281
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Proof?
No, I said "reasonable proof."

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JS, I'd settle for some mildly persuasive evidence that the plagues may have occurred. For instance, there are records of famines as far back as the Third Dynasty reign of Djoser, but the ten plagues of the much later period of Exodus were left unremarked.
Not only that, but if the ten plagues occured, that would have been the end of Egypt as a dominant power in the Middle East, and that did not happen.
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Old 10-30-2007, 06:22 AM   #282
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1) Egyptian chronology being out by several centuries thanks to a mistake by Champollion, perpetuated uncritically by people like Kitchen.
Read what has been already said about this Dave here in this thread on this very forum you don't even have to leave your seat, but better yet read Kitchens work itself .
Any possible errors in Champillons work have long since been rectified Dave BY PROPER EGYPTOLOGISTS NOT HACK WRITERS OF SPECULATIVE FICTION

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2) Evidence of many things we would expect to find once we begin looking in the right time period, such as ....
This is unecessary as it makes no point to your argument

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3) Large numbers of Hebrew slaves.
A proportion of slaves mentioned on ONE list that appear to have SEMITIC names note Dave NOT necessarily HEBREW just SEMITIC there is a difference.Also the fact that even IF they were Hebrew names does NOT automatically mean that every single person who was a Hebrew was a slave
There were slaves in the West Indies named Jones that does not mean the entire population of Wales were enslaved.

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4) The abrupt end of the 13th Dynasty (Dudimose) followed by foreign occupation ... exactly what we would expect if Dudimose's entire army was destroyed as recorded in Exodus.
ALTERNATIVELY the abrupt end of the 13th Dynasty followed by foreign invasion exactly what we would expect if a war was lost to a foreign power .

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5) Evidence of mass burials at the end of Dudimose's reign (10th plague?).
Evidence of ONE mass grave in ONE town/city

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6) Manetho's statement about a "blast of God" during the reign of Dudimose.
WHICH GOD?

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7) Evidence that Egyptians had horses confirming the Exodus account of Egyptian chariots (some have said Exodus is fictional because Egypt didn't have horses).
Covered above by others.


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8) Corroboration of Artapanus' statement that Moses was born in the reign of a pharoah called Khaneferre ... Rohl's New Chronology DOES place a ruler called Khaneferre Sobekhotep IV at the time of Moses' birth as determined from Thiele. This is the ONLY king named Khaneferre throughout the whole of pharaonic civilization. (Rohl, p. 283).
IF you move the goalposts to the right area after the fact , then that wild shot was in fact a goal

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9) Evidence for the palace and cult statue of the Vizier Joseph.
ONLY if 1) Joseph really existed,which is far from certain and for there is no historical/archaeological evidence ,
2)The palace and statue are of actually of Imhotep ,which is far from certain and for there is no historical/archaeological evidence ,
and 3) If Imhotep was actually Joseph which is far from certain and for there is no historical/archaeological evidence

Can you really not see how these "arguments " have failed Dave
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If Imhotep was actually Joseph which is far from certain and for there is no historical/archaeological evidence
And - refresh my memory - what would lead us to even hypothesize a connection between Imhotep and "Joseph"?
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If Imhotep was actually Joseph which is far from certain and for there is no historical/archaeological evidence
And - refresh my memory - what would lead us to even hypothesize a connection between Imhotep and "Joseph"?
From what I have read, admittedly on Christian sites, the stories /legends of Imhotep and Joseph do have some similarities but then lots of legendary figures also have similar life stories and characteristics (I personally always have a problem with Theseus and Perseus in Greek mythology )
Advisor the the pharaoh ,architect,physician etc but others seem to claim that Khufu (Cheops) was Joseph using exactly the same "evidence".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imhotep
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Not only that, but if the ten plagues occured, that would have been the end of Egypt as a dominant power in the Middle East, and that did not happen.

Fundies always overlook that part, don't they?
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From what I have read, admittedly on Christian sites, the stories /legends of Imhotep and Joseph do have some similarities
Fascinating.
Similarities between Joseph and Imhotep are useful to show that archaeology supports the Books.
Similarities between Jesus and Mithras are only evidence of biased, christain-hating archaeologists trying to disprove the Books.
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Fascinating.
Similarities between Joseph and Imhotep are useful to show that archaeology supports the Books.
Similarities between Jesus and Mithras are only evidence of biased, christain-hating archaeologists trying to disprove the Books.



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I forgot to mention that the whole Joseph =Imhotep also only works if you "conveniently " ignore lots and lots of actual history to place them both at the same place AT THE SAME TIME (i.e Rohl's messed up new chronology )
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And - refresh my memory - what would lead us to even hypothesize a connection between Imhotep and "Joseph"?
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From what I have read, admittedly on Christian sites, the stories /legends of Imhotep and Joseph do have some similarities
Fascinating.
Similarities between Joseph and Imhotep are useful to show that archaeology supports the Books.
Similarities between Jesus and Mithras are only evidence of biased, christain-hating archaeologists trying to disprove the Books.
All data hand picked and packaged fresh.

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Not only that, but if the ten plagues occured, that would have been the end of Egypt as a dominant power in the Middle East, and that did not happen.

Fundies always overlook that part, don't they?
How do you figure that? They were invaded easily by a foreign power. Why is this invasion not a logical result of the 10 plagues?
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