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supersport · 08-05-2006, 08:05 PM

Maybe you guys can help me understand. Many of you seem so incredibly convinced there is no God. Yet, how can one be so convinced that this world wasn’t created/directed when the truth is that:

1) The origin of the Universe is still a mystery

2) The origin of the stars and galaxies is still a mystery

3) The origin of the solar system is still a mystery

4) The origin of the Earth, sun and moon is still a mystery

5) The origin of life from non-life is still a mystery

6) The origin of consciousness is still a mystery

7) The origin of DNA is still a mystery

8) The origin of the sexes is still a mystery

9) The origin of language is still a mystery

10) The origin of suddenly-appearing bones in the fossil records is still a mystery

11) The origin of space and time and matter is still a mystery

12) The origin of gravity and energy is a still a mystery

13) The origin of Life is still a mystery

14) The origin of Love is still a mystery

15) The origin of sight is still a mystery

16) The origin of hearing, taste, touch and smell are still mysteries

And by the way...

Why is it that food tastes so darn good?

Why is it that music sounds so darn good?

Why is it that sex feels so darn good?

Why is it that hugs and massages feel so darn good?

Why is it that Creation looks so darn pretty?

It seems to me that with all these things still mysteries, it would be hard for the average person to put so much faith in Godlessness. How could this world not be directed? It seems so obvious to me that we all are part of the Book of Life that God Created. Everything is so compicated on the inside (DNA, physics, chemistry, etc) yet so simple on the outside. We are obviously cherrished creatures. We are walking miracles......and no matter how elegant neo-darwinism may be to you, it simply cannot explain miracles. Yet that's what you're living.

I used to accept evolution as a fact. But that has changed for me now due to the fact that I once said a simple, heart-felt prayer where I asked God to forgive me for a life of ignoring Him. My life has changed. I see everything differently now. I see the truth. I feel His love. I submit that I'm not a singular phenomenon. S

Splarnst · 08-05-2006, 08:08 PM

The teleological argument and the argument from ignorance. Wow.

There's no such thing as "faith" in "Godlessness." Atheism is not a religion.

I've said thousands of heartfelt prayers, by the way.

supersport · 08-05-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolutionary

The teleological argument and the argument from ignorance. Wow.

There's no such thing as "faith" in "Godlessness." Atheism is not a religion.

I've said thousands of heartfelt prayers, by the way.

Maybe you should try one more heartfelt prayer...

Splarnst · 08-05-2006, 08:29 PM

Thousands of prayers over the course of a quarter century isn't enough? You are being absurd.

supersport · 08-05-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolutionary

Thousands of prayers over the course of a quarter century isn't enough? You are being absurd.

Did you ever tell God that you loved Him? Did you ever ask Jesus into your heart for a lifetime? Did you ever beg God for forgiveness? S

RBH · 08-05-2006, 08:32 PM

This sounds like EoG to me. Off it goes.

RBH

supersport · 08-05-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RBH

This sounds like EoG to me. Off it goes.

RBH

C'mmon RBH!!!

This fits perfectly here....

EvilMrWizard · 08-05-2006, 08:39 PM

With apologies for a long post;

Numbers 1-13 are your opinion, depending on what you define as a "mystery". Just because *you* don't know or understand something doesn't mean that generations of men and women devoting their lives to research haven't come up with some pretty good ideas.

14) Love is a result of consciousness, which is the result of a central nervous system. Though we may not yet (yet!) fully understand how the human brain works, we know that Love is a thought. Evolutionarily, love makes sense for procreation/the protection of young/continuing our gene lines. Love isn't some mysterious physical force as some people seem to think it is. If you could generate electricity from nothing but "love", you'd win a Nobel prize. (Give that a try, and let me know how it goes.)

15 & 16) The senses are a result of natural selection and random mutation. If you don't believe that theory on account of your religious beliefs, that's fine- but don't act like we have no explanation whatsoever.

And by the way...
Food tastes so darn good because of natural selection, too- If someone was born who thought that only lighter fluid tasted good enough to eat, you can bet they wouldn't have any children. What your body needs to eat to survive tastes good. That's all just evolution, friend.

Music sounds good because we produce it. We produce what we like to hear. If someone makes bad music, it isn't played because nobody wants to hear it. This is a human endeavor, and has nothing to do with evolution or a deity, either way.

Sex, massages, and cuddles are all firmly within the realm of explanation by evolution as well.

People who say that creation looks pretty are only looking in one direction. What my dog leaves in the backyard isn't pretty. A cheetah killing and eating a gazelle isn't pretty. And for that matter, if you'll include the rest of the universe, all those nice pictures from Hubble are only pretty because we make them look that way through contrast and brightness. Stare into the sun for twenty minutes tommorow and tell me how pretty it looks.

I have to say, sport, though I certainly don't agree with your views, I admire your persistence in spite of evidence to the contrary.

supersport · 08-05-2006, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilMrWizard

pretty it looks.

I have to say, sport, though I certainly don't agree with your views, I admire your persistence in spite of evidence to the contrary.

It's always good to have multiple views on forum

Mr. B · 08-05-2006, 08:53 PM

Yes, life is a complete mystery to me. However, it doesn't become any clearer just by making an unwarranted assumption that some divine being started it all.

And, even if there is a god, why should I, or anyone else, believe that, of the multitude of gods who've been called into being, the real god just happens to be the one you were spoon-fed into believing as a child?

08-05-2006, 08:05 PM	#1
supersport Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: texas Posts: 652	Book of Life Maybe you guys can help me understand. Many of you seem so incredibly convinced there is no God. Yet, how can one be so convinced that this world wasn’t created/directed when the truth is that: 1) The origin of the Universe is still a mystery 2) The origin of the stars and galaxies is still a mystery 3) The origin of the solar system is still a mystery 4) The origin of the Earth, sun and moon is still a mystery 5) The origin of life from non-life is still a mystery 6) The origin of consciousness is still a mystery 7) The origin of DNA is still a mystery 8) The origin of the sexes is still a mystery 9) The origin of language is still a mystery 10) The origin of suddenly-appearing bones in the fossil records is still a mystery 11) The origin of space and time and matter is still a mystery 12) The origin of gravity and energy is a still a mystery 13) The origin of Life is still a mystery 14) The origin of Love is still a mystery 15) The origin of sight is still a mystery 16) The origin of hearing, taste, touch and smell are still mysteries And by the way... Why is it that food tastes so darn good? Why is it that music sounds so darn good? Why is it that sex feels so darn good? Why is it that hugs and massages feel so darn good? Why is it that Creation looks so darn pretty? It seems to me that with all these things still mysteries, it would be hard for the average person to put so much faith in Godlessness. How could this world not be directed? It seems so obvious to me that we all are part of the Book of Life that God Created. Everything is so compicated on the inside (DNA, physics, chemistry, etc) yet so simple on the outside. We are obviously cherrished creatures. We are walking miracles......and no matter how elegant neo-darwinism may be to you, it simply cannot explain miracles. Yet that's what you're living. I used to accept evolution as a fact. But that has changed for me now due to the fact that I once said a simple, heart-felt prayer where I asked God to forgive me for a life of ignoring Him. My life has changed. I see everything differently now. I see the truth. I feel His love. I submit that I'm not a singular phenomenon. S

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08-05-2006, 08:08 PM	#2
Splarnst Contributor Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 13,161	The teleological argument and the argument from ignorance. Wow. There's no such thing as "faith" in "Godlessness." Atheism is not a religion. I've said thousands of heartfelt prayers, by the way.

08-05-2006, 08:29 PM	#4
Splarnst Contributor Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 13,161	*Thousands* of prayers over the course of a quarter century isn't enough? You are being absurd.

08-05-2006, 08:32 PM	#6
RBH Contributor Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 15,407	This sounds like EoG to me. Off it goes. RBH

08-05-2006, 08:39 PM	#8
EvilMrWizard New Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 3	With apologies for a long post; Numbers 1-13 are your opinion, depending on what you define as a "mystery". Just because you don't know or understand something doesn't mean that generations of men and women devoting their lives to research haven't come up with some pretty good ideas. 14) Love is a result of consciousness, which is the result of a central nervous system. Though we may not yet (yet!) fully understand how the human brain works, we know that Love is a thought. Evolutionarily, love makes sense for procreation/the protection of young/continuing our gene lines. Love isn't some mysterious physical force as some people seem to think it is. If you could generate electricity from nothing but "love", you'd win a Nobel prize. (Give that a try, and let me know how it goes.) 15 & 16) The senses are a result of natural selection and random mutation. If you don't believe that theory on account of your religious beliefs, that's fine- but don't act like we have no explanation whatsoever. And by the way... Food tastes so darn good because of natural selection, too- If someone was born who thought that only lighter fluid tasted good enough to eat, you can bet they wouldn't have any children. What your body needs to eat to survive tastes good. That's all just evolution, friend. Music sounds good because we produce it. We produce what we like to hear. If someone makes bad music, it isn't played because nobody wants to hear it. This is a human endeavor, and has nothing to do with evolution or a deity, either way. Sex, massages, and cuddles are all firmly within the realm of explanation by evolution as well. People who say that creation looks pretty are only looking in one direction. What my dog leaves in the backyard isn't pretty. A cheetah killing and eating a gazelle isn't pretty. And for that matter, if you'll include the rest of the universe, all those nice pictures from Hubble are only pretty because we make them look that way through contrast and brightness. Stare into the sun for twenty minutes tommorow and tell me how pretty it looks. I have to say, sport, though I certainly don't agree with your views, I admire your persistence in spite of evidence to the contrary.

08-05-2006, 08:53 PM	#10
Mr. B Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,110	Yes, life is a complete mystery to me. However, it doesn't become any clearer just by making an unwarranted assumption that some divine being started it all. And, even if there is a god, why should I, or anyone else, believe that, of the multitude of gods who've been called into being, the real god just happens to be the one you were spoon-fed into believing as a child?

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