aa5874

Why do you think your deduction is a fact? By what means did you deduce that Paul was a fact in the 1st century?

Or you do not understand what "deduction" means?

It is by deduction that I can say that Justin Martyr was not aware of Paul based on the fact that Justin Martyr did not mention Paul at all anywhere in his writings.

Again by what means did you deduce or prove that there is no grounds to claim Justin Martyr did not know the letters of Paul?

You seem to think that whatever you guess is a fact, true and reasonable beyond doubt.

There is no doubt that you do not want to prove anything but just to guess your own facts.


Why do you think that if you do not know about the veracity of Polycarp, or Ignatius, that no-one else does or can form an opinion about Poycarp and Ignatius based on information that they have found?


It is extremely easy to form an opinion on church writers like Ignatius and Polycarp. They are products of fiction based on all the relevant information that I have seen so far.

There is no rocket science to my conclusion.

Jesus of the Nt, the disciples and Paul were the products of fiction, therefore anyone who met Jesus, the disciples, and Paul in the first century are products of fiction themselves.



And how do you intend to prove your deduction is a fact?

You intend to prove nothing. I got it.

mountainman

Source:

Doug Shaver

But yours is?

dog-on

What do you guys think that the Marcionites called themselves?

arnoldo

Source: http://bibleprobe.com/archive/messages/877.html

arnoldo

Christians?

aa5874

In the Pauline letters, the writer Paul claimed he had revelations from Jesus, the resurrected, but this must be false. The writer must have gotten his information about Jesus Christ and his gospel of uncircumcision from some other source.

When the Pauline letters are examined it is noticed that although the writer mentioned over one hundred passages from Hebrew scripture or the LXX, he never once acknowledged the name of the of the book where the passage was found.

The writer called Paul used over 20 books of Hebrew scripture or the LXX to compile his letters, yet never mentioned the name of any of those books.

He used passages found in Isaiah over 30 times, Psalms over 25 times, Genesis, Numbers, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Habakkuk, Josiah, Leviticus, Exodus, Kings, Samuel, Chronicles, Hosea, Job, Malachi, Ecclesiastes, Deuteronomy and Joel, and never once directed the reader to the books by name.

The writer Paul did not mention or acknowledge one single book of the OT or LXX.

Now in Justin Martyr we have the complete opposite. Justin clearly showed directly the names of the books where his passages are found and even at times mentioned the very chapter of the book where the passages are located.

Justin mentioned by name Isaiah over 100 times, Psalms over 40 times, Jeremiah 13 times, Hezekiah 15 times, Ezekiel 9 times, Daniel 14 times, Hosea, Amos, Jonah, Micah, Zephaniah, Malachi, Zechariah, Joshua, Job, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Samuel and Kings.

Justin acknowledged all the names of the authors or books from which he compiled his writings.

It is clearly known where Justin Martyr got his information, he tells the reader directly.

Now, Justin could not have used the letters of Paul to identify the passages found in Isaiah.
Paul did not mention Isaiah by name.

Justin could not have used Pauline letters to identify passages found in any book by name of the OT or LXX.
Paul did not acknowledge by name any book whatsoever in the OT or LXX.

It is clear that Paul did not really get any revelation from the resurrected Jesus, he got much of his information from the OT and LXX, just like Justin Martyr.

Paul used about 20 books of the OT or LXX but did not acknowledge the sources by name.

But Paul also used passages from the Gospels and did not acknowledge the name of the author, he claimed it was received from the resurrected Jesus which must have been false.

The church writers have already claimed Paul was aware of gLuke and in 1 Corinthians 11.24 and Luke 22.20 it is confirmed. Paul used words ONLY found in gLuke, "This do in remembrance of me."


1 Corinthians 11.23-25
Luke 22.19-20 Paul was aware of gLuke.

Paul was absolutely aware of the gospels and falsely claimed he had revelations from the fictitious Jesus Christ.

Justin Martyr was not aware of any character called Paul, his letters, his doctrine, his churches and his history as found in Acts of the Apostles.

Paul was late.

dog-on

Bingo.

Now what would later Christians call Marcionites if, in fact, there was a movement from a spiritual Christ to a corporeal Christ?

Solo

What am I asserting, Doug ?

Jiri

arnoldo

Heretics?