sotto voce

Conventional, or at least orthodox Christianity teaches that Christ alone was and is 'the Rock', and that any who confess that Jesus is the Christ becomes 'rock' at the time that they act on that belief. Christianity does not believe that Simon Bar-Jona was any different from any other human who ever lived.

Which means that he could listen to the devil, as well as to the Father. Which he promptly did, and repeated what he was told by the devil. And was told so.

And Simon listened to the devil again, in Antioch. And was told so. Faith is a dynamic, not a fixture. The wind goes where it will, and we do not know where it comes from, or where it is going. One can nail down the church like one can nail down the wind.

Chili

He sure digs up the worms . . ..

Chili

Yes but the Rock of faith was insight in response to Peter's response: Are you not the "messiah-in-becoming" later known as Christ but not until 'it is finished,' and Jesus told him to tell no-one that he was 'it' so they would finish the job on him.

And then when it was finished in John they added that in Mark and called him Christ and nothing but Christ because his report was not so wrong without the faith that drove it, and so kind of dragged his Jesus out of Galilea to show that.

Faith as Rock of Gibraltar belongs to the Pope but not the people who should never be holier than the Pope so faith can do its thing on them be a doer of the word and 'carry their faith as the cross to die on.'

I think the first Innitiation Rite into the Knights of Columbus is an extreme display of selfrighteous abuse by religion that the entrant must publicly donounce to become a member as a foreshadow that within the Church liberation must be found from religion.

PhilosopherJay

If we examine the constantly negative attitude towards Peter with the barely mentioned Judas we can understand the development of the gospel.

It seems clear that we have a love triangle between Peter and Mary and Jesus in the original text. Peter who is gay loves Jesus, but Jesus rejects him and chooses Mary for his mate. This drives Peter to betray Jesus with a kiss and deny him three times (which makes it official and legal).
The gay Jewish Priests who read this story (probably written by a woman) were outraged that a gay man was the bad guy. They changed the story to have some unknown apostle named Judas doing the betrayal. Also, they make it seem that Peter's three denials were just accidents done in the courtyard during Jesus' trial. Originally, they were probably the testimony that got Jesus convicted.

The writers of the four gospels have Peter inherit the leadership of the church instead of Mary.

The Gospel of Mary, which shows Mary as the leading disciple and lover of Jesus and shows her inheriting the leadership of the church, was suppressed.

Warmly,

Jay Raskin

Chili

And that is because the woman works from behind the veil where she presides over the TOL from where she saw that the TOL is good for 'gaining' and allowed Peter to be 'arm twister' in your triangle between 'faith and reason,' and so the woman was the seat of wisdom in the mind of Peter as the Rock of Faith, but must collapse as faith by way of understanding and so it is that Mary was chosen to be the life of the living without even a shadow of doubt remaining.

aa5874

I will NOT tolerate erroneous information from you sotto voce. This is BC&H. You knew in advance of posting that in the NT Canon that Jesus was claimed to be FATHERED by a Holy Ghost as stated in Matthew 1 and Luke 1 and was also claimed to be God the Creator in John 1.

People here KNOW erroneous and mid-leading info. This is the 21 st century

You knew in advance of posting that it was Heretical for Christians of Antiquity to claim Jesus was human with a human father so please refrain from making statements that do NOT reflect the written statements of antiquity.

On the Flesh of Christ This is BC&H. This is the 21 st century.

The Jesus Christ of Christianity had NO human father.

Duvduv

He didn't have a human father but he had a human physical body. Even the Quran took on this idea while condemning deification of Jesus despite the nature of his birth in a human physical form.

aa5874

Jesus in the NT was a PHANTOM, a Myth character, a fiction character, an invention, a fabrication, NOT real, non-historical, and completely made-up.

In other words, Jesus of the NT was merely BELIEVED to have existed EXACTLY like the Romans BELIEVED their Gods, like Zeus and Apollo did exist.

Duvduv

The children of the Greek gods were believed to have existed as real physical beings and the gods themselves were usually believed to exist literally by the believers.

Chili

Oops. that should say TOK for gaining wisdon starting with a 'blank slate' to write his own CV on that so he could say "this is me" while 'the woman', Mary here in your love triangle, takes it all to heart to add substance you Peter who wants Jesus to make himself known in understanding, while Jesus does not wants just 'her understanding' but Jesus wants her all.