PoodleLovinPessimist

Of course "Elohim" is unique: No other word in the Hebrew language is spelled that way. :snooze:

Massaging the numbers until you find some post hoc "uniqueness" is uninteresting, because all words have some "interesting" post hoc property. The proof is simple.

Assume the opposite: There is a proper subset of all words that are interesting. This means there is also a proper subset of all words that are not interesting. If we rank the second set in alphabetical order, there will be a first uninteresting word. But that's an interesting property! So we must remove this word from the set of uninteresting words. But then there is another first uninteresting word, which is, ex hypothesi interesting. Therefore the set of uninteresting words is empty (which is itself interesting, but that's a discussion for another day), and thus all words are interesting.

Since you like large text, let me yell it out for you: Numerology is Bullshit.

PoodleLovinPessimist

That a "humble" approach is proper is no more "provable" than that a naturalistic approach is proper.

Although it the bible is obviously written in a human language (and written and recorded using era-appropriate technology), scholars have precipitously jumped to the conclusion that it might have been written by human beings! Amazing. What will those scientists think of next? Perhaps they will doubt that the Divine Word that the Earth is flat, and start hypothesizing that the Earth might have a different shape, perhaps even a deformed sphere. Nah. Couldn't happen.

And when they do so, mirablile dictu, everything hangs together. Wow! We can explain everything in the Bible using naturalistic hypothesis! What are the chances of that?

The beginning part of your post does not sound particularly respectful.

Newsflash: Mathematics is not a science.

Too late.

Validity is not truth. Deduction "guarantees" validity only because validity is defined to be "according to deduction."

Yes it is arbitrary, and yes it does allow you to find what you wish to discover.

This is not interesting. You can find a derivative of almost every number somewhere if you arbitrarily massage any set of numbers. You could probably find some derivative of e if you looked hard enough.

I've already covered this point.

Ah, the old poisoning the well fallacy. If you disbelieve in my bullshit, you must be closed minded.

Which shows that so-called "incredible peculiarities" are more common than you appear to expect.

Pseudo-Deity

Yes we have, but you ignore them because they disagree with your preconceived notions about the bible.No, it doesn't. You have arbitrarily subjected your own numerical values onto hebrew letters. Since there is no objective numerical values in any hebrew letters, your bible code is methodologically flawed.

Not really, since you attributed the numerical value "1" to the hebrew letter "alef". You translate the numbers into letters then proceded to multiply your numbers, and since putting 1 into a muliplication doesnt change the outcome of the sum, you could continuosly add "alef" to the name without changing the result. Therefore there is an infinite number of names which could equal pi through your psuedoscientific method which makes Elohim completely un-unique.

epepke

If the title wasn't The Nicene Compendiary of Sex and Violence, I want my money back.

LiquidHAL

i got some terrifying news for your theory there. The word elohim just means gods. there's nothing special about it in hebrew. it's also used to refer to other gods besides yahweh. the "-im" at the end is the plural suffix. the root is used in other ways, like elohay, meaning "gods of . . ."

BioBeing

Why did God get it wrong?

BioBeing

Actually, no you didn't.

You state on your web site that there are 84 words that have the same property.

So, that is Elohim plus 83 others. Mihole (or, rather I guess its hebrew translation) has the same meaning, according to you.

NZSkep

Red Dwarf Rocks!

Blackcat

Obviously, at the time the bible was written, the ratio between the circumference and the diameter of a circle was different to what that ratio is today.

Must be inflation of the space-time continuum or something... :Cheeky:

Pmarra

FatherMithras
User - Join Date: March 2005 - Location: Florida - Posts: 328

This is absolutely laughable. Present you evidence that a divine creator did this here, I'm not going to look on your website to verify every assertion you make that is backed up by debunked sacred numerology. It's not any more of a mystery to us unbelievers then the "proof" of elves. It doesn't exist.

You have yet to present a single bit of evidence, making only assertions you don't even post links to prove.

Since you are only making extraordinary claims, with absolutely no backing behind them, it is easily determined that you are absolutely incorrect in your baseless assertions.

Present the evidence and perhaps this will change.

and could you please tell us why Elohim (A plural word...by the way, which contrasts with Yahweh) is such a special word?

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THIS IS THE ANSWER THAT IS ALREADY IN MY WEB SITE
(you excuse me for the lack of the Hebrew characters)

However, without being fundamentalist, and while on one hand, we respect the work of these scholars who try to understand the origins of the Holy Scripture using rather approximate methods; on the other hand, we want to demonstrate its supernatural Origin

by using mathematics, which is the only exact science par excellence.

By so doing we will not offend the intelligence of anyone, not even that of non-believers, because mathematics is well-known for its procedure which uses rigorously logical-deductive methods and guarantees results of absolute validity, once the axioms of departure are fixed. It is really thanks to the universal characteristics of mathematics that allow it to be applied to various different sciences which are definitely less exact: archaeology, textual criticism, biology, medicine, physics, chemistry, engineering, economy, statistics, etc.
Mathematics provides all the procedures of calculation which are indispensable to be able to quantitatively face any scientific problem. We will make some demonstrations that will be added to those already made on page 60 regarding the presence of equidistant letter sequences (ELS) in the Bible, which evidently have a Supernatural Origin.
The method we will use
is not arbitrary and does not consist of a technique
that allows you to find "what you wish to discover";

it is contrary to what the sceptics say superficially. In order to convince oneself immediately, it’s enough to use this method with any other ancient text which is not biblical. In any case, we will try to limit ourselves to a mere appendix and we will prove all this by making only two demonstrations:

• THE FIRST DEMONSTRATION shows that with two simple multiplications and a
division we are able “to discover� a value of the Pi hidden inside the First Verse of Genesis which is so precise in comparison to the value known at biblical times, that it allows us to exclude any human intervention in its "insertion".

• THE SECOND DEMONSTRATION shows that the Divine Name Elohim has numerical proprieties which are absolutely unique and which can be discovered only with the help of the computer. Thus, the exact sequence of the five letters that make up this Name could not have been guessed by pure chance by any "human sacred author of holy books" of the biblical époque.

These demonstrations will thus give those people
who are intellectually “honest�
but who doubt in the existence of the Numerical Biblical Language (or consider the analysis misleading), the opportunity to change their minds definitely.

Moreover, we must point out immediately that it is not at all restrictive if we linger over the numerical analysis of the Biblical first verse. In fact the name Elohim appears throughout the Holy Scripture with a dominating role, as one of the Names of God, and other incredible peculiarities similar to the Biblical Pi are widespread throughout the Holy Text.

THE BIBLICAL PI
If we reconsider the 28 letters of the first verse and we associate it with the numerical values indicated in the chart on page 30 we will get this simple table:

~ y h l a a r b t y v a r b
40 10 5 30 1 1 200 2 400 10 300 1 200 2

# r a h t a w ~ y m v h t a
90 200 1 5 400 1 6 40 10 40 300 5 400 1

and therefore this sequence of whole numbers:

2, 200, 1, 300, 10, 400, 2, 200, 1, 1, 30, 5, 10, 40, 1, 400, 5, 300, 40, 10, 40, 6, 1, 400, 5, 1, 200, 90

At a first glance, these 28 numbers do not seem to have anything remarkable about them. However if, instead, we analyse them in depth, we will discover that this is not the case at all. The first thing that we can do, which is the most banal, is to multiply them together, obviously leaving out number 1 because it is uninfluential in the multiplication:

2 x 200 x 300 x 10 x 400 x 2 x 200 x 30 x 5 x 10 x 40 x 400 x 5 x 300 x 40 x 10 x 40 x 6 x 400 x 5 x 200 x 90.


From this multiplication, we immediately get the following formula in scientific notation

2,3887872 x 10e34 = (2e5 x 3e2 x 10e9)e3,

which is the cube of a very simple number that is equal to 288 billion.
Even if it is rare that the product of 28 whole numbers gives the exact cube of another whole number, said result alone does not prove anything. However it is a totally different story if we divide this cube by the product of the numerical values of the 7 words of the first verse.
In fact we have:


t y v a r b
400 10 300 1 200 2 2+200+1+300+10+400 = 913

a R b
1 200 2 2+200+1=203

~ Y h l a
40 10 5 30 1 1+30+5+10+40 = 86

t a
400 1 1+400 = 401

~ Y m v H
40 10 40 300 5 5+300+40+10+40 = 395

t a w
400 1 6 6+1+400 = 407

# r a H
90 200 1 5 5+1+200+90 = 296


Therefore we have:
PROD.LETTERS / PROD.WORDS =
2 x 200 x 300 x 10 x 400 x 2 x 200 x 30 x 5 x 10 x 40 x 400 x 5 x 300 x 40 x 10 x 40 x 6 x 400 x 5 x 200 x 90
/
913 x 203 x 86 x 401 x 395 x 407 x 296


That is

2,3887872 x 10e34 / 3,041535... x 10e17 = 0,785388... x 10e17 = (PI(biblical) x 10e17)/4

The symbol Pi , indicated in the result represents a number (3.1415...), Pi, the ratio of the circumference to its relative diameter. Nowadays, it is very familiar, even to middle school children, but at biblical times it was much less well known, above all, at a level of numerical precision because during this époque only the first digit of this number, that is, 3 was known. It wasn’t until a thousand years later, at the time of the great mathematician Archimedes of Syracuse (287-212 BC) that another two exact digits were discovered and the famous 3.14 was calculated.
In fact, back in 260 BC, Archimedes wrote: "The circumference is triple its own diameter, plus a part that is included between 1/7 and the 10/71". Thus, if we multiply the result by the number of the letters and we divide them by the number of the words:
[2,3887872 x 10e34 x 28(num.letters)] / [3,041535... x 10e17 x 7(num.words)] = PI(biblical) x 10e17

We obtain the exact length of a circumference with a diameter of 10e17, that is, 1 followed by 17 zeros, thus a further demonstration of the intentions of the insertion of this fundamental number, Pi, in the verse.
Today, thanks to the help of computers, Pi has been calculated with innumerable exact digits. For instance, if we indicate it with 10 exact digits, it results as

Pi(exact) = 3.1415 92653...

Let’s take the first 5 exact digits, in bold type, and let’s compare them with the value hidden in the first verse of the Bible:

Pi(biblical) = 3.1415 54...

Well, these 5 exact digits of the biblical PI, which are too many to be the fruit of pure chance, cannot have been inserted in the first verse by some human being for two reasons:

not only did no one know Pi with that precision during the biblical époque

but not even humanity of the third millennium could insert this numerical value in a sentence because it would be impossible, as it involves many mathematical principles which cannot be inserted by technology and powerful computers alone.

However, if there is a reader who is particularly experienced with computers, science and mathematics, and who is not convinced about this, he can always attempt this task and report his results to us.

As to the number PI, everybody knows that it is not an ordinary number but instead a real "King of numbers". This is why it is the number which has been the most studied one in the history of mathematics. This mysterious number is hidden in the rhythm of both acoustic waves and the waves of the sea and is omnipresent as much in nature as in geometry. In fact, a lot of great scientists and mathematicians have done their utmost in attempts to understand its nature. Besides, Pi is indissolubly tied to the legendary SQUARING OF THE CIRCLE which is one of the most famous problems of antiquity. It is evident that man first learned about it in ancient times, which is perhaps suggested by the circular figures already present in nature. Its complexity and charm have been passed down over the centuries throughout the entire history of human civilization. In fact, the stories of its resolution is one of the most illuminating episodes of mathematical procedure. This problem can be simply stated as follows:

TO DETERMINE THE SIDE OF A SQUARE
WICH HAS THE IDENTICAL AREA OF A GIVEN CIRCLE.

One of the most important developments of these studies was the demonstration (even though not perfectly rigorous) made by Johan Heinrich Lambert (1728 - 1777) in his essay "Vorlaufige Kenntnisse fur die Quadratur und Rectifation des Circuls suchen", that PI is an irrational number, that is, it is a number that cannot be obtained by the ratio of two whole numbers. This was a particularly important discovery if we consider the fact that rational numbers (fractions) have decimal digits that can be finished or are periodic and, therefore, they end all of a sudden or are followed only by zeros or they show a continuous repetition of digits (periodicity). Moreover, about one century later in 1882, Carl Louis F. von Lindemann (1852 - 1939) showed that it is not only irrational but it is also transcendental. A number is called transcendental if it is not the solution of any algebraic equation with whole coefficients. An important consequence is that no transcendent number can be made with a ruler and compass. Thus, the discovery of Lindemann demonstrated once and for all that the mythical squaring of the circle, which has puzzled many mathematicians since antiquity until recent times, was indeed a lost cause right from the start:
circles cannot be "transformed" into squares using a ruler and compass.

THE UNIQUENESS OF THE DIVINE NAME ELOHIM
In the following study we will discover some of the extraordinary numerical properties of the name Elohim by using once again a non-arbitrary technique. This technique is not the type that lets you find out "what you want to discover", but, on the contrary, is a mathematical method which is rigorously scientific and can always be repeated by anyone. At first, we must understand what is meant in mathematics by the word "triangular number":

THE Nth TRIANGULAR NUMBER IS SIMPLY
THE SUM OF THE FIRST N WHOLE NUMBERS.

For instance 6, 10, 55... are triangular numbers, because 1 + 2 + 3 = 6, 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = 10, 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 = 55, etc.
Let’s take a general case, the Nth triangular number can be obtained by the
formula:

T(N)= [Nx(N+1)]/2

which reminds us a lot of the calculation of the area of a triangle:

Area of triangle =(basexheigth)/2

This is why these numbers are called "triangular numbers". They correspond exactly to the area of a triangle of base N and height N+1 or vice versa. For example, the number 55, 10th triangular number, is the area of a triangle with base 10 and height 11, or vice versa.

And now let’s study these four tables carefully:

~ Y h l a
40 10 5 30 1

h l a 36
5 30 1


Y h l 45
10 5 30


~ Y h 55
40 10 5


The first shows the sequence of the numerical values of the letters that compose the word Elohim, while the following three underline the presence of 3 consecutive triangular numbers hidden within the letters, and these are precisely the eighth, the ninth and the tenth triangular numbers as we can verify immediately:

1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 = 36
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 = 45
1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 = 55

Apparently if we base our research on a superficial analysis, this fact does not mean anything, but if we analyse this result in depth, things change radically.
Why?
Because it is not evident at all that in a language based on an alphabet of 22 letters, a name of 5 letters can have, even "by chance", such a special numerical property. Let’s try to verify this from a theoretical point of view, and take an alphabet of 22 letters. We are able to form 22x22x22x22x22= 5,153,632 or rather five million, one hundred and fifty-three thousand, six hundred and thirty-two distinct words, even if only a few of them have a precise meaning. Then, if we use a suitable program on a personal computer, we can examine all of them in order to see which have the previously mentioned property of three consecutive triangular numbers hidden within them. The results are reported in the following chart. The name Elohim and the numerical properties are highlighted:

h d a a a 12 1 z x w a g 25 22
5 4 1 1 1 3 – 6 – 10 7 8 6 1 3 10 – 15 – 21
w H d a a 17 2 z Z a b g 20 23
6 5 4 1 1 6 – 10 – 15 7 7 1 2 3 6 - 10 – 15
z W x a a 23 3 x x h B g 26 24
7 6 8 1 1 10 – 15 – 21 8 8 5 2 3 10 – 15 – 21
Z h g b a 18 4 j j y b g 33 25
7 5 3 2 1 6 - 10 – 15 9 9 10 2 3 15 – 21 – 28
x w z b a 24 5 j x d g g 27 26
8 6 7 2 1 10 – 15 – 21 9 8 4 3 3 10 – 15 – 21
x h b g a 19 6 y j j g g 34 27
8 5 2 3 1 6 - 10 – 15 10 9 9 3 3 15 – 21 – 28
j w w g a 25 7 y x g d g 28 28
9 6 6 3 1 10 – 15 – 21 10 8 3 4 3 10 – 15 – 21
j h a d a 20 8 w x a a d 20 29
9 5 1 4 1 6 - 10 – 15 6 8 1 1 4 6 - 10 – 15
y w h d a 26 9 z j h a d 26 30
10 6 5 4 1 10 – 15 – 21 7 9 5 1 4 10 – 15 – 21
~ y h l a 86 10 x y y a d 33 31
40 10 5 30 1 36 – 45 – 55 8 10 10 1 4 15 – 21 – 28
# k q [ a 281 11 x j d b d 27 32
90 20 100 70 1 171–190– 210 8 9 4 2 4 10 – 15 – 21
q k c p a 291 12 j y j b d 34 33
100 20 90 80 1 171–190–210 9 10 9 2 4 15 – 21 – 28
w w g a b 18 13 j j g g d 28 34
6 6 3 1 2 6 - 10 – 15 9 9 3 3 4 10 – 15 – 21
z z z a b 24 14 y y x g d 35 35
7 7 7 1 2 10 – 15 – 21 10 10 8 3 4 15 – 21 – 28
z w b b b 19 15 y j b d d 29 36
7 6 2 2 2 6 - 10 – 15 10 9 2 4 4 10 – 15 – 21
x z w b b 25 16 z y d a h 27 37
8 7 6 2 2 10 – 15 – 21 7 10 4 1 5 10 – 15 – 21
x w a g b 20 17 x y g b h 28 38
8 6 1 3 2 6 - 10 – 15 8 10 3 2 5 10 – 15 – 21
j z h g b 26 18 j y b g h 29 39
9 7 5 3 2 10 – 15 – 21 9 10 2 3 5 10 – 15 – 21
y x y g b 33 19 y y a d h 30 40
10 8 10 3 2 15 – 21 – 28 10 10 1 4 5 10 – 15 – 21
y z d d b 27 20 $ k p h w 131 41
10 7 4 4 2 10 – 15 – 21 20 20 80 5 6 91–105 – 120
w z b a g 19 21 $ m w j l 105 42
6 7 2 1 3 6 - 10 – 15 20 40 6 9 30 45 - 55 – 66

Thanks to this new chart, we will discover that only 42 names plus, obviously, the 42 names that we obtained by reading in the opposite direction, including naturally the name Elohim, satisfy our condition. Therefore, the probability of haring guessed even one of the first 42 names is extremely remote, practically microscopic, less than a hundred-thousandth, in that, it is one probability against 122,704.
This fact is so true, that if we naturally exclude the name Elohim, all the other 41 words of 5 letters do not correspond with any word, either in ancient or modern Hebrew, which testifies the fact that no human being has ever paid any attention to this peculiarity.
But, surprises do not end here, in that, the name Elohim has another characteristic that clearly distinguishes It from the other 41 triangular names:
in fact, if we add up Its three triangular numbers: 36 + 45 + 55, we get the number 136, which is the 16th triangular number:

1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + 11 + 12 + 13 + 14 + 15 + 16 = 136

The fact that the sum of three consecutive triangular numbers is in turn a triangular number, is extremely rare, and, therefore, much more unlikely than the previous case. In order to be convinced, it is sufficient for the reader to try a simple test on the computer, by which he will obtain the result which is shown in the chart below:

4° 1° 2° 3°
10 1 3 6

16° 8° 9° 10°
136 36 45 55

61° 34° 35° 36°
1891 595 630 666

229° 131° 132° 133°
26'335 8'646 8'778 8'911

856° 493° 494° 495°
366'796 121'771 122'265 122'760

3’196° 1'844° 1'845° 1'846°
5’108'806 1'701'090 1'702'935 1'704'781

11'929° 6'886° 6'887° 6'888°
71’156'485 23’711'941 23'718'828 23'725'716

44'521° 25'703° 25'704° 25'705°
991’081’981 330'334'956 330'360'660 330'386'365

166'156° 95’929° 95’930° 95’931°
13'803'991'246 4'601'234'485 4'601'330'415 4'601'426'346

In the first column we have reported only the triangular numbers that are the sum of three consecutive triangular numbers, and in the other three columns the three consecutive triangular numbers. In this chart it is very clear that if we count up to thirteen billion, only eight numbers, including naturally 136, comply with the criterion of "wide triangularity". In addition, it is evident that the number 10 is too "small" to form a word of five letters and 1,891 and the following ones are too large. Therefore,

the uniqueness of the name Elohim is amply shown
and the mere thought that a hypothetical sacred human author
could have guessed such a word by pure chance
with the odds of only one against 5,153,631 is really unacceptable.

In conclusion, the scientific proof on the Biblical Pi and on the uniqueness of the name Elohim, that we have just reported, like in the case of the ELS,

leads us to exclude
both the documentary hypothesis
and any other hypothesis of human origin of the Holy Scripture,
even if divinely inspired.

Thus, the only possible origin of the Biblical text is that of God Himself, who, as we have already said on page 61, has used men as "living pencils" to write It. These conclusions must not seem excessive or unrealistic, in that it is evident that God does not have the least difficulty in dictating His own Word "letter by letter" to any human being, both by making the letters visible one by one, or by setting in stone, or in any other way.